New Double Deck game in WV

[OneAngryDwarf]

Hello all,

Anyone else head to northern WV casinos lately/frequently? Went to Wheeling Island today on a lark and noticed a new 2-deck BJ game. Floor said they just added it today. Was pleasantly surprised to see it has the exact same rules as their regular 8-deck games (3:2, S17, no doubling restrictions, resplit to three), hopefully it will stay that way and they're not just waiting for a new layout or something.

The downside, of course, is terrible penetration--about 1 whole deck's worth, from what I can tell. I can't imagine this being very profitable since each shoe only lasts about 4 hands (with a full table) and the dealer must then do a lengthy hand shuffle each time. Nonetheless, I thought I'd get everyone's opinion, is this still worth playing compared to their regular shoe games (typically about 1 1/2 decks penetration)?

This is my first post, by the way. Like a lot of you folks (I assume) I am a casual basic strategy player who recently got sick of losing and decided to learn counting. I'm still very much a novice but I'm willing to learn and I'm glad to be here!

[cc218]

I can't say for sure if it is good or not, i'll leave that up to the mathletes on here. Regardless though, it is nice to see something besides 8 deckers. What were the min and max bets on that game?

[creeping panther]

Originally Posted by OneAngryDwarf

Hello all,

Anyone else head to northern WV casinos lately/frequently? Went to Wheeling Island today on a lark and noticed a new 2-deck BJ game. Floor said they just added it today. Was pleasantly surprised to see it has the exact same rules as their regular 8-deck games (3:2, S17, no doubling restrictions, resplit to three), hopefully it will stay that way and they're not just waiting for a new layout or something.

The downside, of course, is terrible penetration--about 1 whole deck's worth, from what I can tell. I can't imagine this being very profitable since each shoe only lasts about 4 hands (with a full table) and the dealer must then do a lengthy hand shuffle each time. Nonetheless, I thought I'd get everyone's opinion, is this still worth playing compared to their regular shoe games (typically about 1 1/2 decks penetration)?

This is my first post, by the way. Like a lot of you folks (I assume) I am a casual basic strategy player who recently got sick of losing and decided to learn counting. I'm still very much a novice but I'm willing to learn and I'm glad to be here!

Play heads up only, be very skilled and aggressive.

CP

[Automatic Monkey]

Originally Posted by OneAngryDwarf

Hello all,

Anyone else head to northern WV casinos lately/frequently? Went to Wheeling Island today on a lark and noticed a new 2-deck BJ game. Floor said they just added it today. Was pleasantly surprised to see it has the exact same rules as their regular 8-deck games (3:2, S17, no doubling restrictions, resplit to three), hopefully it will stay that way and they're not just waiting for a new layout or something.

The downside, of course, is terrible penetration--about 1 whole deck's worth, from what I can tell. I can't imagine this being very profitable since each shoe only lasts about 4 hands (with a full table) and the dealer must then do a lengthy hand shuffle each time. Nonetheless, I thought I'd get everyone's opinion, is this still worth playing compared to their regular shoe games (typically about 1 1/2 decks penetration)?

This is my first post, by the way. Like a lot of you folks (I assume) I am a casual basic strategy player who recently got sick of losing and decided to learn counting. I'm still very much a novice but I'm willing to learn and I'm glad to be here!

If the DD shoe lasts 4 rounds with a full table, the pen is better than 1 deck. Way better. How many DD tables do they have?

[FLASH1296]

IF you use a powerful Level Two Count like Hi-Opt or AO II, Halves,
the game is profitable with a 4 to 1 spread with the good rules.

Play this with one other player or heads-up only !

I would not tackle this game with a Level One Count like Hi-Lo, K.O., etc.
and an unbalanced count is ridiculous to even consider for this game

Note that I mean barely profitable with such a tight spread, and while I have not
run the numbers, I imagine that it would yield perhaps 1.5 units per hour or less.

[moo321]

Originally Posted by OneAngryDwarf

Hello all,

Anyone else head to northern WV casinos lately/frequently? Went to Wheeling Island today on a lark and noticed a new 2-deck BJ game. Floor said they just added it today. Was pleasantly surprised to see it has the exact same rules as their regular 8-deck games (3:2, S17, no doubling restrictions, resplit to three), hopefully it will stay that way and they're not just waiting for a new layout or something.

The downside, of course, is terrible penetration--about 1 whole deck's worth, from what I can tell. I can't imagine this being very profitable since each shoe only lasts about 4 hands (with a full table) and the dealer must then do a lengthy hand shuffle each time. Nonetheless, I thought I'd get everyone's opinion, is this still worth playing compared to their regular shoe games (typically about 1 1/2 decks penetration)?

This is my first post, by the way. Like a lot of you folks (I assume) I am a casual basic strategy player who recently got sick of losing and decided to learn counting. I'm still very much a novice but I'm willing to learn and I'm glad to be here!

Hey, maybe the other casinos in the area will get double deck too! And maybe they'll comp more than 8 cents an hour in the poker room! (not exagerating on that, either).

[FLASH1296]

moo321,

You said: "maybe the other casinos in the area will get double deck ..."

Errrr ... I could not agree more, but what casinos are in the area ?

[Blue Efficacy]

Those are some great rules, I imagine they won't last.

[creeping panther]

Originally Posted by FLASH1296

IF you use a powerful Level Two Count like Hi-Opt or AO II, Halves,
the game is profitable with a 4 to 1 spread with the good rules.

Play this with one other player or heads-up only !

I would not tackle this game with a Level One Count like Hi-Lo, K.O., etc.
and an unbalanced count is ridiculous to even consider for this game

Note that I mean barely profitable with such a tight spread, and while I have not
run the numbers, I imagine that it would yield perhaps 1.5 units per hour or less.

I am just a level one kinda guy, who uses an ace side on DD. Hi-Lo-Lo.

I have played with skilled AP's using level 2 counts and there was basically no difference at all, in fact I would say I did better than the others.

Maybe sometime you and I will be at the same DD table and we will see who comes out on top, a lowly level 1 guy.. or you, the Master of the Level 2's.

CP

[Thunder]

How much are the table minimums for the double deck?