Any GOOD Aussie casinos?

[memorylikeasieve]

Hi guys...

I have had a look through the threads here in the Australia section, and overall, the impression I get is that as far as decent BJ games go, Australian casino's suck terribly.

Is this actually the case? Are there any casinos in Australia that dont use CSM's, use 6:5 etc etc? That is, any that are counter friendly?

Cheers.

Edit: Hello, BTW - this is my first post here after a week of reading

[Charles Wells]

Not only do the rules suck, the players suck too.

Your average BJ player in Australia is clueless so if you play correctly you will attract attention anyway.

Surveillance knows how to count too so they will keep an eye on your bets along with the count.

You have to have quite a few tricks up your sleeve not to attract attention.

Save yourself the trouble and go to Vegas with a decent bankroll.

[memorylikeasieve]

Originally Posted by Charles Wells

Not only do the rules suck, the players suck too.

Your average BJ player in Australia is clueless so if you play correctly you will attract attention anyway.

Surveillance knows how to count too so they will keep an eye on your bets along with the count.

You have to have quite a few tricks up your sleeve not to attract attention.

Save yourself the trouble and go to Vegas with a decent bankroll.

Hells bells - I might have to emigrate AGAIN

What about South Pacific or SE Asian Casinos? Anything of any worth in these regions?

[StudiodeKadent]

Originally Posted by memorylikeasieve

Hells bells - I might have to emigrate AGAIN

What about South Pacific or SE Asian Casinos? Anything of any worth in these regions?

You cannot Card Count in Macau (its all CSM), however the games are very good house-edge wise. House edges down to 0.08% at the MGM Grand and 0.10% at the Wynn Macau.

If you want something that is counter friendly, however, the only real choice is the US. However, you can't count too aggressively, otherwise you get thrown out.

[memorylikeasieve]

Originally Posted by StudiodeKadent

You cannot Card Count in Macau (its all CSM), however the games are very good house-edge wise. House edges down to 0.08% at the MGM Grand and 0.10% at the Wynn Macau.

If you want something that is counter friendly, however, the only real choice is the US. However, you can't count too aggressively, otherwise you get thrown out.

Thanks for the update.

Just out of interest, how much more difficult is it to play and count an 8 deck shoe, compared to a 6? I have heard of a casino here in Australia (Wrest Point in Tasmania) that does not use CSM's, but plays with 8 deck shoes.

[Charles Wells]

Hi there

I would forget Tasmanian casinos

They are low limit $200?? table and I went to one which only had two tables. You couldnt get a seat or even a back bet and it was a waste of time.

You are watched like a hawk.

Casinos in Nevada are still allowed to refused the action of players that are too good. This is no longer true in Atlantic city.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

Thing about BJ in Australia is you have eyes in the sky who have advance software. They are also counting but better than you ever will.

They enter you bets into the computer by voice and work out if you are a threat to them.

Many card counters arent a threat to the casino because of the size of their bankroll and their spread. Their risk of ruin is high.

Dummies play in Australia. Go to the US or selected casinos in Europe.

[blackjackstudent]

Charles Wells,

How do you know that you wont get barred at Wrest Point? Katarina Walker states in her book - AU casinos are divided into two main sections - VIP rooms and the main floor. Main floor games are more difficult i.e. have a higher house edge whereas VIP rooms have slightly lower HE but if they find you are a counter, they will revoke your VIP membership but can still play on the main floor - is that so??

[memorylikeasieve]

Originally Posted by Charles Wells

Hi there

I would forget Tasmanian casinos

They are low limit $200?? table and I went to one which only had two tables. You couldnt get a seat or even a back bet and it was a waste of time.

You are watched like a hawk.

Casinos in Nevada are still allowed to refused the action of players that are too good. This is no longer true in Atlantic city.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

Thing about BJ in Australia is you have eyes in the sky who have advance software. They are also counting but better than you ever will.

They enter you bets into the computer by voice and work out if you are a threat to them.

Many card counters arent a threat to the casino because of the size of their bankroll and their spread. Their risk of ruin is high.

Dummies play in Australia. Go to the US or selected casinos in Europe.

Well, that's taken care of that, then. I had no idea that such tools (computer analysis of bets) were in use. But if 'many card counters arent a threat' as you state above, why the heavy handed approach then? If counters ain't considered to be a threat and their bankrolls small, what's the issue?

Just out of interest, has anyone played at the two Tasmanian casinos?

[Katweezel]

Originally Posted by memorylikeasieve

Well, that's taken care of that, then. I had no idea that such tools (computer analysis of bets) were in use. But if 'many card counters arent a threat' as you state above, why the heavy handed approach then? If counters ain't considered to be a threat and their bankrolls small, what's the issue?

Just out of interest, has anyone played at the two Tasmanian casinos?

They got long memories these casinos. You can put their paranoia mostly down to one guy: Andrew Scott made millions in the 90s while they were still naive and relatively unsuspecting. (He eventually got banned from 12/13 casinos.) Now, they think everyone is an Andrew Scott hotshot clone, fresh out of his cardcounting school. But that ain't you mate, is it... (Ain't me either.) Thanks Andrew. Now the rest of us have to play CSM blackjack or go to Vegas. I hope your new life in Honkers is treating you well Andy, and you don't get too many salmonellas from the food. Good luck to all. Happy voodoo on the CSM.

[memorylikeasieve]

Originally Posted by Katweezel

They got long memories these casinos. You can put their paranoia mostly down to one guy: Andrew Scott made millions in the 90s while they were still naive and relatively unsuspecting. (He eventually got banned from 12/13 casinos.) Now, they think everyone is an Andrew Scott hotshot clone, fresh out of his cardcounting school. But that ain't you mate, is it... (Ain't me either.) Thanks Andrew. Now the rest of us have to play CSM blackjack or go to Vegas. I hope your new life in Honkers is treating you well Andy, and you don't get too many salmonellas from the food. Good luck to all. Happy voodoo on the CSM.

Thanks for this Katweezel.

Interesting - just did 5 mins of detective work on this chap and had a bit of a read. Can certainly see how paranoia on the part of the casino's can turn into a long term siege mentality.

Not good.