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Old August 25th, 2011, 06:33 AM
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The Swedish rules at the proper state casino (NOT bars and clubs, where the rules are a rip-off as described above):

6 decks, shuffle machine

Dealer stands on 17, including soft 17. Ties are treated as normal standoffs, dealer does NOT win.

Double down permitted on 9, 10, 11

Double down NOT allowed on soft hands

Double down permitted after split

Split Aces, one card only, 21 pays even money. Re-split of Aces allowed.

Insurance offered. Also I think an even money payout is offered if player has BJ v dealer A (or 10, not sure).

7-7-7 pays immediate even money bonus, hand itself played out as normal.

Anyone know what the house edge is if playing basic strategy?
Do you mean Blackjack pays even money? Forget this game- The house edge will be astronomical.
Pretty sick rules. Casino`s like these should be outlawed in my opinion. Greedy bastards.
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Old August 25th, 2011, 07:06 AM
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Do you mean Blackjack pays even money? Forget this game- The house edge will be astronomical.
Pretty sick rules. Casino`s like these should be outlawed in my opinion. Greedy bastards.
Thanks for the fast response, tezzadiver.

No, blackjack still pays 3-2.

However: when splitting aces, there is no BJ, 21 pays even money. And even money is offered (but doesn't have to be taken, and shouldn't, of course), if you have BJ to dealer's A.
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Old August 25th, 2011, 07:55 AM
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Thanks for the fast response, tezzadiver.

No, blackjack still pays 3-2.

However: when splitting aces, there is no BJ, 21 pays even money. And even money is offered (but doesn't have to be taken, and shouldn't, of course), if you have BJ to dealer's A.
I get 0.51% HE

I assume no hole card dealt? European style?

Well its not the best of games and of course you can`t count with it as they use CSM`s (continuous shuffler machines) ?

If this was a shoe dealt game- I would still take even money on a dealer ace, If I was showing a BJ at a true count of plus 3.
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Old August 25th, 2011, 08:04 AM
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Apologies- Make that 0.57%

Pretty worthless game IMHO. Maybe ok for practicing basic strategy.

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Old August 25th, 2011, 08:23 AM
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Yes, European style, no hole card dealt.

Thanks very much for the swift response - much appreciated.
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Old August 27th, 2011, 09:06 AM
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Being unable to double your soft hands is quite costly; requiring DEEP
penetration and/or a wide bet ramp to make the game exploitable.
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Being unable to double your soft hands is quite costly; requiring DEEP
penetration and/or a wide bet ramp to make the game exploitable.
No it isn't. It costs about .1 to the basic strategy edge, and isn't all that well correlated with the count.
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Default Game selection is a primary skill.

.1% is significant in BJ.

The BJ games that I play have e.v.'s from .14 to .35

Ergo, adding .10 is HIGHLY significant.

My skills pay my bills; and game selection is a primary skill.
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Old September 2nd, 2011, 01:30 PM
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.1% is significant in BJ.

The BJ games that I play have e.v.'s from .14 to .35

Ergo, adding .10 is HIGHLY significant.

My skills pay my bills; and game selection is a primary skill.

Except that you said:

"Being unable to double your soft hands is quite costly; requiring DEEP
penetration and/or a wide bet ramp to make the game exploitable."

Nope, it is NOT "quite costly", and the lack of the rule does NOT necessarily require deep penetration or some massive spread to be overcome.

Its lack is of modest significance, way down on the list compared to slightly better penetration, ls/rsa, heat, spreads, and other issues.
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Old September 2nd, 2011, 04:52 PM
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Semantic arguments are a waste of time; so removing the verbiage I shall stick to the numbers.

Thus, if you are playing a game with a House Edge of .3% and you add .1% you have inflated your disadvantage by 33%.
 

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