Counting with 6 decks

[super678]

Hi All

I am new to the forums. I am currently learning the Hi Opt I and I am from around Bristol and wondering if anyone is around too. I go to Gala at the Harbourside from time to time.

At Gala, the rules are ENHC, DAS, S17. It's 6 decks with about 70% pen. I am under the impression that under these rules, earnings for a card counter can be very low. Is that true?

I was thinking of doing this as a hobby -- I expect that I won't be making much money counting cards at Bristol anyway.

What do you guys think?

[newb99]

If you read through a lot of the past threads you will see it depends - what do you consider "much money"? how much can you afford to bet? what is your bankrole? How will you approach the game, ie bet-spread, maximised EV or play to reduce variance? Will you be wonging in/out if it's possible?

No one answer I'm afraid.

[Percy]

To add to what Newb said, you also need to think about finding games with better pen. 70% is not good enough. 80% games are most definitely around and will significantly improve your profitability.

[super678]

Thanks for the replies.

With regards to my bankroll, it's not big (around £500 for a £3 minimum bet game), but I am planning on using a small bet spread with wonging in and out, because I don't think sitting through the whole shoe will do me any good.

I think I also want to play to reduce variance. But my knowledge on EV, variance, etc is not great so I will need to do some reading up on these things.

With regards to the pen. It's up to the dealer. Maybe I underestimated the pen because when I look at the deck it's around 1.5 decks deep. (75%).

[FLASH1296]

If you are only "wonging in" ("backcounting") then the game is playable.
Otherwise, it is not.

With such poor penetration, excellent rules are needed.
You have no 'Insurance' available, except against a dealer BJ
and you cannot split 4's. ENHC is the last nail in that coffin.

Find another hobby. This will prove expensive in the long run.

[Percy]

To beat this game, your bankroll is not large enough. You want to be looking at minimum 5000.

I don't want to deflate you as the UK game can be beaten. But the way things stand for you at the moment, the odds are stacked too heavily against you.

Flash is probably right when he says "find another hobby".

[Percy]

If you do get hold of a sufficient bankroll then keep looking for better pen. It's out there.

[newb99]

Originally Posted by FLASH1296

If you are only "wonging in" ("backcounting") then the game is playable.
Otherwise, it is not.

With such poor penetration, excellent rules are needed.
You have no 'Insurance' available, except against a dealer BJ
and you cannot split 4's. ENHC is the last nail in that coffin.

Find another hobby. This will prove expensive in the long run.

Who says you can't split 4s in the UK?

As to the last nail in the coffin, you might as well say the same about US H17 games, as the EVs aren't too dissimilar.

[10JQKA]

Again myself and Newb jump to the rescue of the UK game

EV isn't THAT bad on some UK games.

Do they do any side bets or anything similar in your casino?

Once an hour(approx) in my local casino they do a double payout on one deal/spin of the roulette wheel etc. As well they have a 'reward card' 1% back on cashed chips, this doesn't sound like a lot but it all chips away at that EV!

[FLASH1296]

Poor rules require excellent penetration.

A Tautology !

My statement is apparently analogous to "Pearls before swine"

"Forewarned is forearmed" - except for those who cannot hear.