how do I practice estimating how many decks are left?

Meistro

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I am getting better, slowly, at figuring out how many decks are left but I am still very far from precise in this matter, and obviously it makes a pretty big difference, both on your play and your bet. Are there any tips or tricks to getting your accuracy down to a quarter deck?
 
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Meistro

Meistro said:
I am getting better, slowly, at figuring out how many decks are left but I am still very far from precise in this matter, and obviously it makes a pretty big difference, both on your play and your bet. Are there any tips or tricks to getting your accuracy down to a quarter deck?
First leave decks around the house of different numbers, get used to seeing them. Second.......well later with that one.

CP
 

21Menace

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It takes a lot of repetition.

I've been using the bicycle ones you get at the store but I know casino decks are slightly different in thickness. Does it really make a difference? If it does which casinos cards do you recomend? I play in Vegas mostly.
 

StandardDeviant

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daaaaveey said:
It takes a lot of repetition.

I've been using the bicycle ones you get at the store but I know casino decks are slightly different in thickness. Does it really make a difference?
They say that it does. The casino cards are thicker. I read somewhere too that the cards get thicker as they are played.

I have to wonder if the precision really matters, at least for TC conversion. There can be no doubt that the improvement in accuracy improves results, but I wonder how many hands one would need to play at the improved accuracy for the improvement in results to be significant in comparison to the deviation per hand? And what about the extra mental effort required and the resulting introduction of errors into play? Is it a realistic assumption that a player can play enough hours to benefit from the improved precision?

Well, I aspire to become good enough for these questions to matter to me. :grin:
 

bjcount

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Meistro said:
I am getting better, slowly, at figuring out how many decks are left but I am still very far from precise in this matter, and obviously it makes a pretty big difference, both on your play and your bet. Are there any tips or tricks to getting your accuracy down to a quarter deck?
There are no tricks but just a helpful tip, practice, practice, practice.

You don't say how well you estimate down to 1d or even a half 1/2d, but here's a couple of methods you could try:

1) if you play 6d, take 6 decks and number the back of each one starting from #1 at the bottom to #312 on the top. Make a chart as reference 1/4 d= #13, 1/2=26, 3/4d=39... etc.... .
Then practice cutting the deck ... say you want to see 3.75 decks on the table.. grab the stack off the top and see how close you get to card #195.

2) Purchase dozens of decks and rubberband each stack say.. 1.5d, 1.75d, 2d , 4.5d etc... so you can get more experience with the visual aspect of heights.

3) Use cvst cutting drills... I use this method.
Set up the thickness of the cards by placing the cards (I use Bees) against the screen and adjust it until its close... practice cutting full decks to an accuracy of 6 cards or less, then switch to 1/2d.. etc.. etc..
Then to make it interesting, every week I change the card thickness so I have to make visual adjustments based on the full height of 6 decks.

Getting to 1/2d estimating within 6 cards with 100% accuracy you will find is a feat in itself. Once you achieve this level then switch to 1/4d estimating.

BJC
 
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Meistro

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The big thing about accurate TC conversion isn't so much (in my noob opinion) about playing accuracy but betting accuracy - which is much more important in a shoe game AFAIK. Thanks for all the helpful hints guys, I will take them to heart. I cannot express my gratitude enough for all of the help this forum has given me.
 
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