Moving to a level 2 counting system?

Hey peeps,

After reading BJA, on the topic of choosing the "best" system for the game we all play. It seems hi-lo is not efficient if we play alot of hours!

so does anyone know which level 2 system is best for the ENHC game? By best meaning one will give us the highest SCORE?

It seems Zen/RPC/Hi-opt II is the potential candidate.

Anyone shine some light on this topic for me as to which is best for the game i play ( ENHC).

Forgot to add we use a 1-12 spread

Thanks
Ming

the best response to this is : do for yourself ( like i did ) you should use cvdata/cvcx , first run a sim with the especific rules of your game using hi lo in cvdata (from there in tools select chapter x setup) then open the sim with cvcx select your spread kelly BR etc, then do a comparision with "compare" and voila you can check the score for all the systems.

i use Mentor was the very best for my rules ENHC OBBO ( in level 2 category)
Daniel

Ah guess i must invest into this osftware. what is ENHC OBBC? You also play in UK?

Guess mentor is the count you are using?

Thanks
Ming

in a second thought , this is a hard question most because the canned sims used for comparision doesnt have the option ENHC so the score compared will not be "real" against the one used to made the comparision in this case with hilo , i think BJCOUNT did a lot of work with this maybe u can ask for help him , or to Norm ( creator of QFIT )
i ask this question along time ago (6 months or more) most responses was used the one u have or you trust more because now is more important the bet spread than anything else.

no i play in southamerica ,here the game is with or without hole card and OBBO means when u play against ENHC if the dealer gets a BJ u loose only your original bet no doubles or split ( that fact makes the game the same like hole card )
my first and best invest in this was Renzey`s book,, second QFIT software, i also have others software and 15 others books., now i use cvcx almost everyday.
in fact in a obssesion way i recalculate indices for the rules or my nearest casino ( get a 10% better score ) a lot of work and time effort.

I'm in the transition of making a switch from hi-lo to zen. After getting CVData and comparing numbers it seems that Zen is the best for the game I've been playing 6Decks 77% penetration S17 1 to 10 spread. It outperforms any single system... wong halves, High optII.. about on Par with advanced omega but that requires an ace side count.

Bet ramp

TC = 1 1 Units
TC = 2 3 Units
TC = 3 5 Units
TC = 4 7 Units
TC = 5 10 Units

Is just for the amount of hours i spent playing blackjack using a better system will no doubt yeild the benefits really quickly!

Current spread is a 1-12:

Tc+2 - 3 units
Tc+3 - 6 units
Tc+4 - 12 units

Will ask, thanks
Ming

If looking to step up to something that provides a better return take a look at this page for comparison of different counting systems:

http://www.qfit.com/card-counting.htm

If you look at the betting correlation (the most important aspect for shoe games) there is nothing in it when comparing to hi-lo. The big difference is the insurance correlation, but in ENHC with our restricted even-money only rule I suspect the advantage in switching will be largely negated.

With the hours you're putting in though (what have you got on the clock now?) I'm sure the change will be worthwhile.

Also, learn to shuffle track. It can pay off when the first two rounds out of a shoe are largely made up of high cards (if you can wong out make sure you return to the table and flat bet the min for the last hand!) or you hit the cut-off and the count is well high. At top or bottom, you don't have to worry about your MK1 eyeball being out of true at anytime. My personal best is when the cut card popped out and the RC was still +12. The nice dealer, though, made a meal out of the shuffle and the 10/A rich deck and a half of so was diulted away.

We been clocking up some silly hours like 30-50 hours per week on average.

I been running some sims on CV data, and really wanted to compare Zen vs RPC, but i don't think RPC is under playing str in CV data.

Anyone got any data? And i have been recommended a count where the tag value on an ace should be higher due to the even money play and no insurance in the ENHC. And RPC offer a -2 value compared to zen -1 value.

Any idea would be great.

and newb, think shuffling tracking is the next thing i will work on. Think the best way to post up the 2 different gala shuffle video on the web and let the expect map it out for us

Thanks
Ming

Anothee thing to ask, when using zen or RPC, when converting to a TC, is it the same as hi-lo ?

Would it be better to use full deck conv or 0.5 deck?

thanks
Ming

u can follow the recomendation of the books in each case, but u can also sim that with cvdat
the old zen use 1 deck the new version use 1/4 ( bad choice )
rpc i dont know

Please do not bring unnecessary public attention to Gala's shuffles.

thanks

Did anyone else mention Gala in this thread apart from you ?

Please don't bring unnecessary public attention to Gala.

Thanks
Ming

Who are Gala?

For your game either ZEN or RPC or Mentor. zg

Either full deck or even 2D (Mentor) calibration. zg

That is quite a repository. zg

not really my place to say it, but i will because i have paid for most of the books you put up freely on that site and enjoyed reading them in my hands instead of on a screen - im pretty sure you are violating all types of copyright laws by making those works of others freely available to the world. that goes for the books and music and whatever else has not been freely released. maybe im wrong? i agree there are plenty of non-copyrighted items on the site as well. that said, it is indeed a treasure trove of goodies for those of the required moral standard who willing to browse the folders.

rukus,

"You are entitled to you opinion", as we say in this country, BUT I believe steadfastly in "The Hacker Ethic" - which is most often presented in the abbreviated form - "All information strives to be free."

When I buy music or books I have the right, (in my mind, the virtual obligation), to SHARE with others.

When I use bootleg software I either quickly delete it from my computer or I purchase a registered copy of same.

Books / Music have always been shared between friends.