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Old December 6th, 2009, 12:36 PM
li_ka_shing168 li_ka_shing168 is offline
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Hi everyone, I am on a trip to HK now and will be going to Macau very soon. Macau uses CSM but some of them uses discard trays and wait until the tray of one deck high fills up before putting them back to the csm. I am planning to CC even tho the PEN is bad. I read on wizard of odds the HA can be as low as .10. If i use High low, does it mean i am playing an advantageous game at 1/2 TC or is there other mathematic calculation behind this. And if I use the original zen, do I have the advantage at TC 1. I want to use some huge spread , does someone encountered heat before. Thanks in advance for your replies. By the way I would like to travel in korea, I found info on Seoul casino but none on cheju island, would like to have more info on cheju and which of these 2 places has the most profitable game.

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Old December 6th, 2009, 04:50 PM
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that is a very valid point! Seeing the HE is so low in macau (say 0.10 as you stated), meaning that at a TC of +1 with hi lo, we will have approx advantage of 0.4 and TC +2 we would have approx 0.9.

May be find out the rules of the game and run some sims on CV data with different bet spread and see the result? Or pm could the sim for you, as i want to find out also!

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Old December 7th, 2009, 02:59 PM
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I dont have cv data or any other simulation software.
Is there someone that can help us out
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Old December 7th, 2009, 11:14 PM
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If you tell me the rules and how many decks macau plays I CAN sim it for you on CVdata.

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Old December 8th, 2009, 12:59 AM
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Unfortunately it's a wrong timing to come playing the 16% (1/6 Decks) penetration game. The casino just cancelled their discard practice last week and put back cards to the CSM every round.

Since it's a CSM game, their HE is pretty low compared to other places.

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Old December 9th, 2009, 05:13 PM
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Unfortunately it's a wrong timing to come playing the 16% (1/6 Decks) penetration game. The casino just cancelled their discard practice last week and put back cards to the CSM every round.

Since it's a CSM game, their HE is pretty low compared to other places.

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Which casino changed their rules, i heard there where several casino that used the discard tray??
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Old December 13th, 2009, 07:56 AM
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S**T, I just came back from macau today, visiting the island with my familly. Went to the city of dream, wynns and venetian. They definately changed their discard tray rule and put back the cards after every round. Didn't have time to check if MGM Grand use the discard tray. Can someone please update MGM Grand
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Old December 13th, 2009, 08:57 PM
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MGM puts cards back to CSM every round
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Old December 13th, 2009, 09:37 PM
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MGM puts cards back to CSM every round
The do have shoe game in one of the VIP room (min HK$1K), beware of the heat though!

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Old December 14th, 2009, 07:31 PM
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The do have shoe game in one of the VIP room (min HK$1K), beware of the heat though!

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I see, thanks so much for the update, wow 1k min, if this is a 6 decks shoe game. I need to use a 1- 16 spread to beat the game meaning a max bet of 16000 hk wow. If any new changes on the rules or anything. please update or pm if posssible. ill be in HK til FEB will have plenty of time for playing bj. thanks again
 

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