Disguising a large unit spread

They say the topping with a red makes it look less but if they were really watching from the sky couldn't they see you were making a very strong effort to disguise your betting? Just my thoughts.

They say the topping with a red makes it look less but if they were really watching from the sky couldn't they see you were making a very strong effort to disguise your betting? Just my thoughts.

Arnold Snyder touches on it briefly in "Blackbelt In Blackjack", but I think it deserves more discussion. In one of his chapters he refers to a man who regularly places doubled, tripled and quadrupled small red chip bets in neutral counts but then starts sticking green ones under his red when the count goes up. Thus there isn't a major visual stack height difference when he is spreading to his maximum wagers in a high T/C count.

I believe he also waits until the true count climbs really high, like a plus 6 to 8 T/C. In this way his bets do not directly coincide with high counts at first glance. in fact he is trying to bet higher just as the count appears to be going down.

I did this last Spring by working my red chips from ten bucks up to $55.00 in neutral or other low counts. This is eleven chips. A fairly high stack to the dealers eyes. And by doubling chips but staying under a low threshold I had established the tendency of lowering and raising my chip size at whim.

Later on while playing a heads up double deck game I was able to spread two bets up to $200.00 each for a spell. This was at an Indian casino. i think the dealer kind of liked me too. Placing Green chips with a red topper she didn't called in "Chips" except when i did place a black which i did only rarely. I resisted coloring up except prior to bathroom trips after a particulalry good run.

Anyway coupling this technique with emphasis on game selection may be more valuable than learning advanced counts or multiple, confusing indice strategies. Just my experience.

Or maybe the dealer was just a sucker. Hard to say.

Did this with single deck heads up last year too. No one seemed to bat an eye although i only played short sessions. I won't play any single deck unless it is heads up. Just a rule i made for myself. Am almost about to make that specific condition for my double deck games too.

Arnold Snyder touches on it briefly in "Blackbelt In Blackjack", but I think it deserves more discussion. In one of his chapters he refers to a man who regularly places doubled, tripled and quadrupled small red chip bets in neutral counts but then starts sticking green ones under his red when the count goes up. Thus there isn't a major visual stack height difference when he is spreading to his maximum wagers in a high T/C count.

I believe he also waits until the true count climbs really high, like a plus 6 to 8 T/C. In this way his bets do not directly coincide with high counts at first glance. in fact he is trying to bet higher just as the count appears to be going down.

I did this last Spring by working my red chips from ten bucks up to $55.00 in neutral or other low counts. This is eleven chips. A fairly high stack to the dealers eyes. And by doubling chips but staying under a low threshold I had established the tendency of lowering and raising my chip size at whim.

Later on while playing a heads up double deck game I was able to spread two bets up to $200.00 each for a spell. This was at an Indian casino. i think the dealer kind of liked me too. Placing Green chips with a red topper she didn't called in "Chips" except when i did place a black which i did only rarely. I resisted coloring up except prior to bathroom trips after a particulalry good run.

Anyway coupling this technique with emphasis on game selection may be more valuable than learning advanced counts or multiple, confusing indice strategies. Just my experience.

Or maybe the dealer was just a sucker. Hard to say.

Did this with single deck heads up last year too. No one seemed to bat an eye although i only played short sessions. I won't play any single deck unless it is heads up. Just a rule i made for myself. Am almost about to make that specific condition for my double deck games too.

Irish,

I have been doing this for years, and I did not need Snyder to tell me to do it! In fact I wrote all about it in a thread about a week ago that caused some stir. Yes, this does work great, but always keep the amounts even to make bets simple to pay.

CP

Irish,
This is a normal way of trying to hide a bet spread. And it can be successful.

Others,
The point is to make the rainbow bet in a very high count only. You will only do it for a couple hands as you have probably reached a point where the count can only fall back to Earth, ie TC6 and up. Using it this way will only slow the game down marginally. And yes it is SOP for most joints to break down the stack you bet rather than make a stack in the dealers area then push it out while not as common as a breakdown it is not uncommon in dust joints or unafiliated places.

Irish,
This is a normal way of trying to hide a bet spread. And it can be successful.

Others,
The point is to make the rainbow bet in a very high count only. You will only do it for a couple hands as you have probably reached a point where the count can only fall back to Earth, ie TC6 and up. Using it this way will only slow the game down marginally. And yes it is SOP for most joints to break down the stack you bet rather than make a stack in the dealers area then push it out while not as common as a breakdown it is not uncommon in dust joints or unaffiliated places.

It may be a normal way of trying to hide, but if you are wagering $25, $50 a hand, move up to $100, $150 as count goes positive and then throw out $285, or $365. it is going to draw more attention. Odd payout, especially on BJ's and doubledowns, plus the game slows dramatically. Even the laziest of pit critters will wake up, come over and take notice when the dealer pays off a $365 blackjack wager with 5 black, 1 green, 4 red and a pink!

I'm looking at this and other ideas as more of a gold mine than memorizing long lists of indices or learning a level two count. Especially the idea of psyching out a dealer. Finding one who doesn't appear to be a "company boy".

Right now i test myself over and over at basic strategy and only find one or two errors per hundred. "Mistakes" on such marginal calls that they really aren't worth correcting.

Then there are my indice calls: Like whether to wait until +4 to stay on my hard fifteen or stay at some T/C lower. Not a whole lot of difference one way or the other. So am just pulling a variable GENERAL strategy: When the T/C goes up I will still hit my hard 12's through 14 but stay on anything fifteen & sixteen. Then when it really goes up? I stay on all stiff hands 12 through whatever.

The lower indexes? I either flat bet the min or go to the buffet.

This technique saves a whole ton of memorization of stuff I rarely use.

Thus: Finding favorable playing conditions is more my game. I ain't goin out and buying the best hunting equipment if there are enough deer in the woods!

I'm looking at this and other ideas as more of a gold mine than memorizing long lists of indices or learning a level two count. Especially the idea of psyching out a dealer. Finding one who doesn't appear to be a "company boy".

Right now i test myself over and over at basic strategy and only find one or two errors per hundred. "Mistakes" on such marginal calls that they really aren't worth correcting.

Then there are my indice calls: Like whether to wait until +4 to stay on my hard fifteen or stay at some T/C lower. Not a whole lot of difference one way or the other. So am just pulling a variable GENERAL strategy: When the T/C goes up I will still hit my hard 12's through 14 but stay on anything fifteen & sixteen. Then when it really goes up? I stay on all stiff hands 12 through whatever.

The lower indexes? I either flat bet the min or go to the buffet.

This technique saves a whole ton of memorization of stuff I rarely use.

Thus: Finding favorable playing conditions is more my game. I ain't goin out and buying the best hunting equipment if there ain't enough deer in the woods!

Generally when using "rainbow" stacks and ramping up I'll collect my "junk" from the BJ payouts and announce I'm trying to get rid of it. I always have a collection of whites on up. And Cp said it correctly... you normally make it work out to even amounts for payoffs where it makes sense to be using multiple chip denoms.

Ain't that right Homey? :laugh:

I just dont understand! You want to use rainbow wagering as some sort of substitute for learning indices??

Last month you were trying to tap into the unused portions of your brain, using ESP and precognition in an effort to predict the outcome of the next card. And yet, now, you are unwilling to use a portion of your brain to learn indices or a level 2 count, which can actually improve your game.

I see a "penny wise pound foolish" concept spread around this board at times.

What is worse, missing a few super marginal indice calls or finding a table where you can spread 20 to 1?

Just like people who learn all sorts of level 2 counts, gazillions of indices and then sit down at a table with 60% penetration.

Stupid! Ain't "no deer" in them woods.

As for using a little pre-cog decision making? You decided to pick and choose from my posts and put words in my mouth. A typical nuisance internet troll technique. Not worthy of a reply but out of habit I will bite.

The pre cog calls I make are only on the most marginal of decisions. "Crap shoots" and what not. Like whether to hit or stay at +4 T/C on a stiff fifteen vs dealer 7 or higher. In fact I've had good fortune making these calls and have recently felt comfortable enough to keep records of my hit vs. stay situations based upon intuition. These show promise and a slightly higher level of accuracy than using pure statistics of probability.

If you want to make useful criticism try and actually freaking READ my posts and decide if the examples I've chosen indicate choices of significance.

Like choosing a table with good penetration, favorable rules and an easy going less experienced dealer. The odds of staying in that game and winning are far superior to learning some level 2 counting system with dozens of indice changes.

But this all is just common sense. Something an internet troll has no use for.

As for using a little pre-cog decision making? You decided to pick and choose from my posts and put words in my mouth. A typical nuisance internet troll technique.

But this all is just common sense. Something an internet troll has no use for.

The pre cog calls I make are only on the most marginal of decisions. "Crap shoots" and what not. Like whether to hit or stay at +4 T/C on a stiff fifteen vs dealer 7 or higher. In fact I've had good fortune making these calls and have recently felt comfortable enough to keep records of my hit vs. stay situations based upon intuition. These show promise and a slightly higher level of accuracy than using pure statistics of probability.