Couple questions

#1
Ok im new, so no making fun of me :)

I have $1100 and im trying to play 10 dollar table is that enough to make some money ?

Im using 2 3 4 5 6 ( +1) 7 8 9 neutral and A K Q J 10 ( -1) is this a good system ?

How much money should i have to make lets say 400 a day ?

When i start a game how much should i cash in ?

Whats my max bet should be on let say true count +1or +2

If i play only when i have adventage is it better than playing each hand ?
 

kewljason

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#2
Oh my! :eek: I am finding it hard to take your post seriously. I hope you are kidding, but will give you the benefit of doubt and give you a quick estimated answer without the benifit of a simulation.

First of all, it would depend greatly on the game you are playing. (rules, decks, penetration, ect) But, just being very general. For a 6 deck game with fairly standard rules. 50K would allow you to spread $25-2x $300, fairly safely and you could come reasonably close to a $1 per hand expectation, depending on your play style (negative hands). So playing 400 hands a day would earn your $400 dollars per day. Remember this is a rough estimate, but should be sufficent for you to see what you are up against. Sorry, to be the bearer of bad news.
 

somtum

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#3
rabbit215 said:
Ok im new, so no making fun of me :)

I have $1100 and im trying to play 10 dollar table is that enough to make some money ?

Im using 2 3 4 5 6 ( +1) 7 8 9 neutral and A K Q J 10 ( -1) is this a good system ?

How much money should i have to make lets say 400 a day ?

When i start a game how much should i cash in ?

Whats my max bet should be on let say true count +1or +2

If i play only when i have adventage is it better than playing each hand ?

I have $1100 and im trying to play 10 dollar table is that enough to make some money ?

Yes


How much money should i have to make lets say 400 a day ?

Depends how many hands you win and how much you bet.


Im using 2 3 4 5 6 ( +1) 7 8 9 neutral and A K Q J 10 ( -1) is this a good system ?

It's a good system for most AP's.. (cardcounters) Though it doesn't satisfy those looking for the best system which is more prone to error do to increased difficulty, which can cause you to lose all the money you have by making mistakes.


When i start a game how much should i cash in ?

$130.00 + or - $50.00


Whats my max bet should be on let say true count +1or +2 ?

True Count +1 $25.00 + or - $5.00
True Count +2 $35.00 + or - $5.00



If i play only when i have adventage is it better than playing each hand ?

Yes
 
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kewljason

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#5
somtum said:
I have $1100 and im trying to play 10 dollar table is that enough to make some money ?

When i start a game how much should i cash in ?

$130.00 + or - $50.00

Whats my max bet should be on let say true count +1or +2 ?

True Count +1 $25.00 + or - $5.00
True Count +2 $35.00 + or - $5.00
How on earth did you come up with these answers? :confused:

Buys ins? There is no set amount. Different people do different things. I personally buy in for 4 units. :laugh: ($100 = 4 -- $25 units) Makes it easy to get away quick when the count tanks. :)

True count +1 ?? Most games this is about an even game. You should still be betting minimum or close to it. The formula for optimal wagering is BR x advantage x .77

@ a true count of +2 you should have roughly a .5 advantage you should be wagering $1100 x .005 x .77 = $4.23. Anything more than that and you are overbetting, playing with a high RoR, and most likely will end up broke in the long run.
 

Meistro

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#6
with $1100 your only real chance is to wong in at +1 or 1.5 TC and go from there. You need to watch without playing (we call that back counting) and you need to leave if the TC gets to 0. This will have you placing only bets with an advantage, or a very slight disadvantage, allowing you to keep a fairly low max bet. I advise your max bet to be around $30, reserved for times of TC+4 or higher. Also if you could find a $5 table this would go better.

You will not be able to earn much money with this approach - you will be lucky to beat minimum wage - but you will gain crucial experience and have an enjoyable and difficult hobby.
 

daddybo

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#7
rabbit215 said:
Ok im new, so no making fun of me :)

I have $1100 and im trying to play 10 dollar table is that enough to make some money ?

Im using 2 3 4 5 6 ( +1) 7 8 9 neutral and A K Q J 10 ( -1) is this a good system ?

How much money should i have to make lets say 400 a day ?

When i start a game how much should i cash in ?

Whats my max bet should be on let say true count +1or +2

If i play only when i have adventage is it better than playing each hand ?
:laugh: I'm posting this only to show you what can happen.

I played on a $10 table in a S17 6d game with about 75% pen and No Surrender, and a measly 6k in my pocket. My buy-in started at $300. Spread varied and was anywhere from 10 to 2 x 125. Wong out most negative counts... wong in varied from +2 tc to playing off the top. (I seldom play these stakes.. but I only had 6k with me and the main point of this trip was scouting some other games). I wasn't feeling well (and really wasn't playing as well as I can) and played for only 3.5 hours. 1st hour I was down $900. Second hour I was down $1200. Third hour I was down $1700. The Last half hour found a great shoe and I called it a day being down only $380 after tips and lunch. Not a good day.. but I've seen worst. Had I been feeling better.. who knows? I used dollars intead of "units" because units don't really mean anything except in strategy and sims.

You really need more money. :)
(P.S. Listen to KewlJason... he knows of what he speaks)
 
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shadroch

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#8
Once again, a newcomer asks a question and everyone treats it as if the guy is trying to be an instant pro.
While his goal of making $400 a day is unrealistic, $1100 is more than enough to play BJ, enjoy himself and produce a small profit while gaining real life experiance.
Why does everyone try to convince a guy who can't even float that he has swim the English Channel?
 

daddybo

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#9
shadroch said:
Once again, a newcomer asks a question and everyone treats it as if the guy is trying to be an instant pro.
While his goal of making $400 a day is unrealistic, $1100 is more than enough to play BJ, enjoy himself and produce a small profit while gaining real life experiance.
Why does everyone try to convince a guy who can't even float that he has swim the English Channel?
Come on Shad... $1100 is only 9 max bets at a 1-12 spread. 13 at a 1-8 spread.... $10 base. You know his risk of ruin at that BR is very very high. I seriously doubt a new player can show a long term profit on $1100, (especially if you include expenses) without some serious luck. I hope he does though.

I wasn't trying to make fun of him or treat him like a pro, just wanted him to know what he was getting into.
 
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#10
rabbit215 said:
Ok im new, so no making fun of me :)
Your first wish probably won't come true. Think of it as "peer reviewed writing." That's what my PhD-Student friend calls it.

rabbit215 said:
I have $1100 and im trying to play 10 dollar table is that enough to make some money ?
I started red chip card counting a few years back with only $300. I kept leaving the tables when I was ahead and only when I was ahead. I grew it quickly to $3,600 and then proceeded to bust out over the next couple months. So, to answer your question, yeah, it's possible but your "Risk-of-Ruin" percentage is going to be very high no matter what rules you're up against and no matter what strategy you're employing.

rabbit215 said:
Im using 2 3 4 5 6 ( +1) 7 8 9 neutral and A K Q J 10 ( -1) is this a good system ?
I would not call this a "good system." I would call it an adequate system.

rabbit215 said:
How much money should i have to make lets say 400 a day ?
This question is too vague but in a commitment to answer everything...
Between $10 and $50,000 depending on about 100 different variables with the most important being your "Win Rate/Hand". (i.e.: If that figure is equal to or more than "100%", you would only need a bankroll of $10 to make $400 per day.)

rabbit215 said:
When i start a game how much should i cash in ?
Again, this question is rather vague and the answer can truely be answered by "hands-on experience," of which, you seem to have none. In trying to keep with my positive spirit (Man, this kid is fustrating.)...
You will eventually need to develop your "Act". If that was a "rich kid full of Daddy's money," you should buy-in for $1,100. If your Act is a "poor guy--compulsive gambler," you should never buy-in for more than $200.

rabbit215 said:
Whats my max bet should be on let say true count +1or +2
Yet again, your question, by itself, is too vague. SCREW IT!!! Bet $20 at +1 and $40 at +2! (That's what I would've done if I was you.)

rabbit215 said:
If i play only when i have adventage is it better than playing each hand ?
I'm sorry--I can't take it anymore! Yes, it's better, JUST GO BECOME A BACK-COUNTING SHEEP LIKE ALL THE REST OF EM.
 

daddybo

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#11
michaean said:
Your first wish probably won't come true. Think of it as "peer reviewed writing." That's what my PhD-Student friend calls it.

I like that. :) I used to think people were too harsh to newcomers here... but then I came to the realization that if you can't handle this bunch, then you dang sure can't handle the Casino.
 

shadroch

Well-Known Member
#12
daddybo said:
Come on Shad... $1100 is only 9 max bets at a 1-12 spread. 13 at a 1-8 spread.... $10 base. You know his risk of ruin at that BR is very very high. I seriously doubt a new player can show a long term profit on $1100, (especially if you include expenses) without some serious luck. I hope he does though.

I wasn't trying to make fun of him or treat him like a pro, just wanted him to know what he was getting into.
I make a profit and don't think I've ever spread anything like that. Find the right game and you can do just fine with a much smaller spread.
 

21Menace

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#13
I would recommend a $20 or $25 dollar max bet unless your willing to have real high risk of ruin. And like others have said, only play with an advantage (enter/exit at +1)

Also, learn some of the Risk Averse indices. It slightly decreases EV but will also decrease your risk of ruin, which is already going to be fairly high.
 

21Menace

Well-Known Member
#14
daddybo said:
:laugh: I'm posting this only to show you what can happen.

I played on a $10 table in a S17 6d game with about 75% pen and No Surrender, and a measly 6k in my pocket. My buy-in started at $300. Spread varied and was anywhere from 10 to 2 x 125. Wong out most negative counts... wong in varied from +2 tc to playing off the top. (I seldom play these stakes.. but I only had 6k with me and the main point of this trip was scouting some other games). I wasn't feeling well (and really wasn't playing as well as I can) and played for only 3.5 hours. 1st hour I was down $900. Second hour I was down $1200. Third hour I was down $1700. The Last half hour found a great shoe and I called it a day being down only $380 after tips and lunch. Not a good day.. but I've seen worst. Had I been feeling better.. who knows? I used dollars intead of "units" because units don't really mean anything except in strategy and sims.

You really need more money. :)
(P.S. Listen to KewlJason... he knows of what he speaks)
I started with a $1,000 bankroll and am now at $1,600 after 40 hours of play. Before I go into details, I know I have been very lucky so far. My EV is only $5 an hour but am averaging about $13. I'm sure it will level out soon. But I do believe its possible to make a small amount of money with $1,000 IF you pay for expenses out of another account.

If you wong in/out at +1 (spread $5-$20) or wong in/out at +3(spread $10-$20), play good games, know your indices, and NEVER overbet your ROR should be around 10%. Its not the ideal ROR but its not too bad if its money you could possibly live without.

Your only expected to make around $5 an hour so forget about $400 a day but its perfect for a new player with a limited bankroll.
 

kewljason

Well-Known Member
#15
shadroch said:
Once again, a newcomer asks a question and everyone treats it as if the guy is trying to be an instant pro.
While his goal of making $400 a day is unrealistic, $1100 is more than enough to play BJ, enjoy himself and produce a small profit while gaining real life experiance.
Why does everyone try to convince a guy who can't even float that he has swim the English Channel?
Agreed, shad, $1100 is enough to play blackjack, enjoy himself, and possibly produce a small profit. However, that is not what the OP stated his goals were. He clearly stated his goal was making $400 per day, so that is what we are going by. You seem to want to change his goals for him. :confused: If he wants to re-state his goal, I am sure he would get different answers.
 
#16
Thanks for the help ! I know i won't make 400 in just a day cuz i only have 1100 but i was just curious about it. The more money you have, the more money you can make.

I have another questions:

How can i know that the casino is not cheating, since after the shoe is over, they replace the cards completely and the dealer doesnt show them ??

Can i ask the dealer if she can move the cut card more far to the end of the shoe so we can play more hands ? ( I think you guys know what i mean haha)

Is it better to play with couple of people or is it better to play me and just the dealer ?
 

21Menace

Well-Known Member
#17
rabbit215 said:
Thanks for the help ! I know i won't make 400 in just a day cuz i only have 1100 but i was just curious about it. The more money you have, the more money you can make.

I have another questions:

How can i know that the casino is not cheating, since after the shoe is over, they replace the cards completely and the dealer doesnt show them ??

Can i ask the dealer if she can move the cut card more far to the end of the shoe so we can play more hands ? ( I think you guys know what i mean haha)

Is it better to play with couple of people or is it better to play me and just the dealer ?
You usually don't need to worry about being cheated. I believe all legitimate casinos must have their games audited by the state's gaming control board. Casinos don't want to risk being caught cheating for a few extra bucks. I'm not sure how casinos on Indian land are monitored though. I'm sure other people here know more.

When the counts high your better off playing alone because you don't have to share all the "good cards" that are left in the shoe with other players. You might be able to play 15 hands with a high count when playing alone, where as you would only get 3 or so if there were 5 other people at the table. But if your wonging in you will have to play with atleast one other person because how else will you wong in? The best is when people play just long enough to get the count up, you sit down to play, and everyone leaves. They rippened up the shoe for you and now its all yours! :grin:
 
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