Need a new betting spread

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pooptarts92

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I've been playing for almost a year now but ive had lots of on and off days throughout the months so my hours aren't all up to par. I used HiLo for half the time and switched to Wong's Halves system. My current bet spread:
True 2 - $15
True 3-4 - $20
True 5-6 - $30
True 7-8 - $40
True 9-10 - $50

My friend told me that you only really need 4 different increased bets to beat the game and i find mine varies too much. Any suggestions?
Oh and my bankroll started at about $3000 and is now diminished to about $920 after a couple bad months.
 
kewljason

kewljason

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pooptarts92 said:
I've been playing for almost a year now but ive had lots of on and off days throughout the months so my hours aren't all up to par. I used HiLo for half the time and switched to Wong's Halves system. My current bet spread:
True 2 - $15
True 3-4 - $20
True 5-6 - $30
True 7-8 - $40
True 9-10 - $50

My friend told me that you only really need 4 different increased bets to beat the game and i find mine varies too much. Any suggestions?
Oh and my bankroll started at about $3000 and is now diminished to about $920 after a couple bad months.
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Need more info and a clarification first. First the clarification. Are you only playing counts of 2 and above? Or are counts of 1, 0 and negative wagered at $15 also? what kind of game are you playing? no decks? pen? rules?
 
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pooptarts92

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I bet the $5 min at negative to true 1 counts. there is no hole card, surrender allowed (early i guess since you can surrender against dealer face but not against ace due to no hole card). mostly playing 4 deck tables, pen ranges from 40 cards to 1.5 decks (stupid dealers theres only 2 players, give us a few more hands jeez). and aces can only be split once, they receive one card each, double on any 2 cards, double allowed after split, split up to 4 times (excluding aces). i think i covered everything lol hopefully.
 
Sharky

Sharky

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pooptarts92 said:
I've been playing for almost a year now but ive had lots of on and off days throughout the months so my hours aren't all up to par. I used HiLo for half the time and switched to Wong's Halves system. My current bet spread:
True 2 - $15
True 3-4 - $20
True 5-6 - $30
True 7-8 - $40
True 9-10 - $50
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your sys bets too high on lower counts and not enough on higher counts. counts of +6 rarely occur so you are primarily spreading 1-4 which is much too narrow, particularly if 4 units occur at +3. Also, why do you use ranges?

Try using $10/TC and max out at $60 for >=6 and you will make more $$$.
 
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pooptarts92

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Sharky said:
your sys bets too high on lower counts and not enough on higher counts. counts of +6 rarely occur so you are primarily spreading 1-4 which is much too narrow, particularly if 4 units occur at +3. Also, why do you use ranges?

Try using $10/TC and max out at $60 for >=6 and you will make more $$$.
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so 10 bucks times the tc up to 60 dollars is what your saying?
 
kewljason

kewljason

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Sharky said:
your sys bets too high on lower counts and not enough on higher counts. counts of +6 rarely occur so you are primarily spreading 1-4 which is much too narrow, particularly if 4 units occur at +3. Also, why do you use ranges?

Try using $10/TC and max out at $60 for >=6 and you will make more $$$.
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You are advising a max bet of $60 with a $920 bankroll? He will be playing with a very very high RoR.
 
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pooptarts92

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kewljason said:
You are advising a max bet of $60 with a $920 bankroll? He will be playing with a very very high RoR.
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Since I've been losing i havent changed my bet spread because I feel that after I go through all this variance I'll still come out ahead in the end. But I really don't think i should have a max bet over 50, but a new spread would be ideal.
 
Sharky

Sharky

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pooptarts92 said:
so 10 bucks times the tc up to 60 dollars is what your saying?
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yes, understand that if you put all of the work into counting MAKE IT PAY!!! at your ramp, you rarely get more than $20 on the table.

check out this ramp:
+1 = 100% more (10 vs 5)
+2 = 33% more (20 vs 15)
+3 = 50% more (30 vs 20)
+4 = 100% more (40 vs 20)
+5 = 67% more (50 vs 30)
+6 = 100% more (60 vs 30)
>6 = 20% more (60 vs 50)

good luck
 
Sharky

Sharky

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pooptarts92 said:
Since I've been losing i havent changed my bet spread because I feel that after I go through all this variance I'll still come out ahead in the end. But I really don't think i should have a max bet over 50, but a new spread would be ideal.
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look, 2 points:

1. $50 is NOT your max bet as you may have bet $50 once per night if you are extremely lucky.

2. you do not have the BR to support either sys..so divide my ramp bets by 10 and you will survive :laugh:
 
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pooptarts92

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Sharky said:
look, 2 points:

1. $50 is NOT your max bet as you may have bet $50 once per night if you are extremely lucky.

2. you do not have the BR to support either sys..so divide my ramp bets by 10 and you will survive :laugh:
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maybe i dont have the br now but i DID at one point, ive just gone through bad losing streaks and at this point its a break even streak, cuz i lose then win then lose and can't ever seem to get ahead lol. so dont bash my br lol i add to it every now and again and play my best game.
 
Sharky

Sharky

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pooptarts92 said:
maybe i dont have the br now but i DID at one point, ive just gone through bad losing streaks and at this point its a break even streak, cuz i lose then win then lose and can't ever seem to get ahead lol. so dont bash my br lol i add to it every now and again and play my best game.
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not bashing BR bro, I know how the variance of this game can get to you. I think too many confuse br w/ session br. If you are able to take your br with you on a trip, it is too small.

I am just suggesting rearranging your bets to take better advantage of the predominant counts you will experience (+1 -> +4) and increasing your spread from 4 to 8.
 
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Meistro

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at a br of < $1000 your max bet should be $20 or $30 max, and you should always play with a .5% advantage (TC +2) or higher (which I believe you mentioned you do in your OP). Which means you will play maybe 4 hands an hour on average? won't make a ton of cash but you will gain valuable experience and get lots of exercise wonging around. I am not surprised you dropped to 1k from 3k with a 60$ max bet. 2k varianced is 50 max bets and assuming $5 units 400 units. 400 unit swings are extremely common for me, and happen at times daily.
 
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