EV Calculation

Finn Dog

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#1
I'm just wondering in theory, how much would the use of indexes alone reduce the house advantage. So could someone please tell me how much the HA would be reduced under the following scenario:

HA: 0.26
Rules: 6D, S17, DS, RSA, LS
Counting System: KO Full (similar to the Illustrious 18)
Pen: 1.2
Spread: Flat Bet

Thanks in advance!:grin:

FD
 
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iCountNTrack

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#2
Finn Dog said:
I'm just wondering in theory, how much would the use of indexes alone reduce the house advantage. So could someone please tell me how much the HA would be reduced under the following scenario:

HA: 0.26
Rules: 6D, S17, DS, RSA, LA
Counting System: KO Full (similar to the Illustrious 18)
Spread: Flat Bet

Thanks in advance!:grin:

FD
i think you meant DAS, and LS instead of DS or LA :)

Will drop the house edge but 0.1% at best, but it also depends on the penetration, could get better than that if it was very deeply dealt.
 

Finn Dog

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#3
iCountNTrack said:
i think you meant DAS, and LS instead of DS or LA :)

Will drop the house edge but 0.1% at best, but it also depends on the penetration, could get better than that if it was very deeply dealt.
Roger that on the LS; and yes, by DS, I mean double down after splitting (I was using the CBJN abbreviation).

Best regards,

FD
 
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Finn Dog

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iCountNTrack said:
Will drop the house edge but 0.1% at best, but it also depends on the penetration, could get better than that if it was very deeply dealt.
ICountNTrack:

Sorry, I forgot to mention the pen of 1.2--can you tell me what that would lower the HA to please?

Best regards,

FD
 

iCountNTrack

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#5
Finn Dog said:
ICountNTrack:

Sorry, I forgot to mention the pen of 1.2--can you tell me what that would lower the HA to please?

Best regards,

FD
1.2 Decks is just an average penetration, when say very deep penetration i mean less than 0.5 decks, so the house edge will only decrease by 0.1%. Without spreading your bets it is practically impossible to beat a shoe game flat betting, unless the casino some super juicy rule and/or you are using some other playing strategies not just based on the information obtained from the remaining shoe composition.
 
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Finn Dog

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#6
iCountNTrack said:
1.2 Decks is just an average penetration, when say very deep penetration i mean less than 0.5 decks, so the house edge will only decrease by 0.1%. Without spreading your bets it is practically impossible to beat a shoe game flat betting, unless the casino some super juicy rule and/or you are using some other playing strategies not just based on the information obtained from the remaining shoe composition.
ICountNTrack: just curious, what spread would technically get the aforementioned game just to the break even point?

Secondly, I'm presuming CVCX is the best program to answer all these questions (anyone is free to answer this with the exception of N.W. :grin:)?

Thanks again,

FD
 

assume_R

Well-Known Member
#7
Finn Dog said:
ICountNTrack: just curious, what spread would technically get the aforementioned game just to the break even point?

Secondly, I'm presuming CVCX is the best program to answer all these questions (anyone is free to answer this with the exception of N.W. :grin:)?

Thanks again,

FD
I simmed the following rules using CVCX according to your specs:
KO Full, 6 Decks, 4.8/6 pen, S17 DAS LS RSA, 4 players:
Spread of 2-1 gives you slightly above a break even advantage using these rules. If you want me to give you any specific numbers let me know and I will
Examples:
$10 min, 2-1 gives you a $2.17/hr win rate
$10 min, 3-1 gives you a $9.77/hr win rate
 
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