parting thoughts

kewljason

Well-Known Member
#1
I have learned a great deal from many of the members here in my 3 years of posting on this board and for that I am grateful to everyone and especially to Ken for providing this forum from which to share and learn from each other. At this time I have decided to cease my participation on the site, as the board has recently become less fun and anti-productive to my goals. I will still read the posts regularly in my quest for ongoing knowledge, but will not reply nor share my experiences.

On a site such as this there will be discussions and disagreement (part of the learning process) and occasionally one's feelings are bound to be hurt. I have participated in my share of these discussions and disagreements and on at least one occasion, regret comments that I made. I speak of a fairly recent exchange with anottoobrightirishman. I found it amusing that every few weeks he had a different angle and made lite of his attempt to gain an advantage using ESP. From his response, it was obvious that he was hurt by my remarks and for that I apoligize to him.

Two other incidents that I found troubling involved the continued spreading a false information. One such incident involved Jstat and the ten count. I have no problem with his endorsement of the ten count, that's a personal choice. My dispute involved his claims that other counts, most noteably hi-lo did not work, which he continued to claim even after it had been mathematically proven time and time again by many different members.

The second such incident involves CP's repeated claims that you can not win again marginal, what he refers to as "trash games". He has access to great conditions that most of us don't and does well with those conditions, I am sure, but his claim that common marginal games such as the 6 deck/75% penetration found in Vegas or even AC cannot be beaten is just flat out false. Like Jstat's claim, it has been proven by millions and millions of hands of simulation, as well as a number of players, myself included that continually win at these games. I have supported myself for six years now solely off of my blackjack winnings, most of which have taken place against these marginal "trash" games. While it is true that I have not gotten rich doing so and have yet to break the $100K a year barrier, I have had consistant mid to upper five figure results yearly. He recently asked why I think his comments reflect upon me? The answer of course is that his continued claim even after such proof, calls my results into question and more or less suggusts that I and others that claim to beat these games are lying, and yes I do take that personally.

At any rate, it isn't any single incident that has prompted my decision. Participating on the board has just become less fun and counter productive for me recently. I harbor no ill feeling towards anyone and on the contrary am truely grateful for the many lessons learned and experiences shared and I wish everyone continued success.
 

MountainMan

Well-Known Member
#2
Good Luck!

Kewl: I'm a newbie to this site but have read some of your posts. Your thoughts have been appreciated. From what I can determine for running some sims on 8 deck vs. 2 deck, it seems that the results are clear that certain games are more favorable than others. From reading many of the forum's posters it appears that many are not willing to make a reasonable investment necessary to gain the knowledge needed to determine the difference. When faced with the choice of a 8 deck vs. 2 I now find it hard to justify the 8 deck game. Best of luck. MM
 

1357111317

Well-Known Member
#3
I'm sorry to hear you are leaving Kewl. You were always providing informative and useful answers to people's questions. You will be missed.
 

Finn Dog

Well-Known Member
#4
Sorry to see you go KJ--always liked your input, and appreciated your help.

Hope you change your mind at some point.

Good cards,

Finn Dog
 
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#5
You'll be back!

I also agree that sometimes inaccurate information is spread, but the remedy for that is correcting it. It's a very valuable remedy too, because if someone says something stupid and you can't prove it's stupid, maybe it's not. I've gotten lots of good ideas here that have evolved from bad ones.

E.g., proving that High-Low works was very educational for all who read it, and they now understand exactly what makes a count work. That wouldn't have happened without JSTAT's tomfoolery.
 
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21gunsalute

Well-Known Member
#6
Well I hope you change your mind. I'd hate to think that your wealth of knowledge will no longer appear here and that instead we'll get bad advice from the dark side. I think your posts were the only thing that kept me going through a real horrendous run. I wish you the best whatever you decide to do.
 

Krak3d

Well-Known Member
#7
Hope you come back though, you always had great inputs into any discussion, members could have learned a lot from you. Good luck with counting and hope you break the 100K barrier:D

Peace.
 
#8
Douche

I wish to quote my grandmother, whom on her death bed her last dying words to me were,"Never rule out the possibility that someone that you are dealing with is a complete douche and never trust anyone who's favorite song during the 1970's was "Rubberbandman". This was all quite odd coming from my Grandmother but I think this has helped me with understanding how dementia and arrogance combined with a chip on your shoulder can be a strange combination and to give a bit less regard for anything said by this personality type. Her quote also made me wary of trusting my life's savings with the likes of people like Bernie Madoff.

Do you take financial advice from the guy that is wiping down your car as you are coming out of the car wash? Nope... not if you were paying attention to my Grandmother's advice and I doubt I would be where I am today if I did. I like to evaluate things closely for validity and am quick to disregard erroneous off the wall information and opinions that don't quite make sense. No need for debate or argument... why bother? I simply do not deal with them... I just don't have to. I have spent the vast majority of my life being addressed as "Yes Sir" and "No Sir", so I suppose I have little patience for anyone that wishes to be argumentative, opinionated or confrontational about anything with me.

Jason, basically what I am saying is not to allow what people say bother you or get to you. You are a "straight up" sort of guy that spells things out the way you see them and like to honestly evaluate things. You have posted some very worthwhile things on here that accomplish the bottom line of this site, which is to help others become better players. Never rule out the "douche factor" that may be detrimental to this goal and learn to ignore it.
 
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Katweezel

Well-Known Member
#9
Yeah, JCool. You never said anything unless you had something worthwhile to say, and usually in a user-friendly fashion. Your input will be missed. Make sure you stop by for a cup of coffee once in a while. I'm sure you'd also do well Down Under, where 'good' games are not real common! May the Force be with you. :toast:
 
#10
Kewl

kewljason said:
I have learned a great deal from many of the members here in my 3 years of posting on this board and for that I am grateful to everyone and especially to Ken for providing this forum from which to share and learn from each other. At this time I have decided to cease my participation on the site, as the board has recently become less fun and anti-productive to my goals. I will still read the posts regularly in my quest for ongoing knowledge, but will not reply nor share my experiences.

On a site such as this there will be discussions and disagreement (part of the learning process) and occasionally one's feelings are bound to be hurt. I have participated in my share of these discussions and disagreements and on at least one occasion, regret comments that I made. I speak of a fairly recent exchange with anottoobrightirishman. I found it amusing that every few weeks he had a different angle and made lite of his attempt to gain an advantage using ESP. From his response, it was obvious that he was hurt by my remarks and for that I apoligize to him.

Two other incidents that I found troubling involved the continued spreading a false information. One such incident involved Jstat and the ten count. I have no problem with his endorsement of the ten count, that's a personal choice. My dispute involved his claims that other counts, most noteably hi-lo did not work, which he continued to claim even after it had been mathematically proven time and time again by many different members.

The second such incident involves CP's repeated claims that you can not win again marginal, what he refers to as "trash games". He has access to great conditions that most of us don't and does well with those conditions, I am sure, but his claim that common marginal games such as the 6 deck/75% penetration found in Vegas or even AC cannot be beaten is just flat out false. Like Jstat's claim, it has been proven by millions and millions of hands of simulation, as well as a number of players, myself included that continually win at these games. I have supported myself for six years now solely off of my blackjack winnings, most of which have taken place against these marginal "trash" games. While it is true that I have not gotten rich doing so and have yet to break the $100K a year barrier, I have had consistant mid to upper five figure results yearly. He recently asked why I think his comments reflect upon me? The answer of course is that his continued claim even after such proof, calls my results into question and more or less suggusts that I and others that claim to beat these games are lying, and yes I do take that personally.

At any rate, it isn't any single incident that has prompted my decision. Participating on the board has just become less fun and counter productive for me recently. I harbor no ill feeling towards anyone and on the contrary am truely grateful for the many lessons learned and experiences shared and I wish everyone continued success.
Hey man, you gotta be kidding!

I thought you were far tougher than that,,holy shi#:eek:

I told you flat out that what I say has nothing to do with you, nothing,,you just became hyper sensitive to my comments. Not Kewl.:(

My comments were aimed at the newbies who see the movie 21 and then think they can do the same playing a trash game, located anywhere. I have a trash game 38 min. from my house...I drive hours to the fine ones. I happen to care a great deal about new players having unwarranted expectation and then losing large sums of money, including college funds.

A true story, a number of years ago a consistent poster on another site contacted me privately and wanted to meet and play with me, so I could help him with his game. The poster became more and more persistent that I do so,,,he was playing a poor game in the Midwest, on a river boat,,,,I basically blew him off. I stopped hearing from him, he stopped posting, then I received an email from his father, this poster was a graduate student, brilliant, and had OC, he lost the money for his graduate studies playing this poor BJ game, with poor conditions and killed himself,,that has haunted me ever sense, because had I cared enough, or listened harder, I think he would be alive today. So that is the real reason for my attitude towards trash games and the evil casino, not KewlJason :rolleyes: I simply cannot stand by while others may be enticed to play games that they have a very small chance of ever beating.

I would ask that you stay at this site and contribute, no one thinks you are a liar, but now, if you leave, they just may think you are pretty soft..........

Do you see me running after you compare me to JSTAT...Hmmmm,,,that was a real insult,,although personally I like JSTAT, he gets too much heat here,,has he ran...hmmm,,,,NO. Stay Kewl, show us what you are made of;)

Regards,
CP
 

ycming

Well-Known Member
#11
Again please do stay, more information we can gather the better and more correction on inaccurate informatino the better!

Could someone post the link proving that hi-lo works?

Thanks
Ming
 

iCountNTrack

Well-Known Member
#12
kewljason said:
I have learned a great deal from many of the members here in my 3 years of posting on this board and for that I am grateful to everyone and especially to Ken for providing this forum from which to share and learn from each other. At this time I have decided to cease my participation on the site, as the board has recently become less fun and anti-productive to my goals. I will still read the posts regularly in my quest for ongoing knowledge, but will not reply nor share my experiences.

On a site such as this there will be discussions and disagreement (part of the learning process) and occasionally one's feelings are bound to be hurt. I have participated in my share of these discussions and disagreements and on at least one occasion, regret comments that I made. I speak of a fairly recent exchange with anottoobrightirishman. I found it amusing that every few weeks he had a different angle and made lite of his attempt to gain an advantage using ESP. From his response, it was obvious that he was hurt by my remarks and for that I apoligize to him.

Two other incidents that I found troubling involved the continued spreading a false information. One such incident involved Jstat and the ten count. I have no problem with his endorsement of the ten count, that's a personal choice. My dispute involved his claims that other counts, most noteably hi-lo did not work, which he continued to claim even after it had been mathematically proven time and time again by many different members.

The second such incident involves CP's repeated claims that you can not win again marginal, what he refers to as "trash games". He has access to great conditions that most of us don't and does well with those conditions, I am sure, but his claim that common marginal games such as the 6 deck/75% penetration found in Vegas or even AC cannot be beaten is just flat out false. Like Jstat's claim, it has been proven by millions and millions of hands of simulation, as well as a number of players, myself included that continually win at these games. I have supported myself for six years now solely off of my blackjack winnings, most of which have taken place against these marginal "trash" games. While it is true that I have not gotten rich doing so and have yet to break the $100K a year barrier, I have had consistant mid to upper five figure results yearly. He recently asked why I think his comments reflect upon me? The answer of course is that his continued claim even after such proof, calls my results into question and more or less suggusts that I and others that claim to beat these games are lying, and yes I do take that personally.

At any rate, it isn't any single incident that has prompted my decision. Participating on the board has just become less fun and counter productive for me recently. I harbor no ill feeling towards anyone and on the contrary am truely grateful for the many lessons learned and experiences shared and I wish everyone continued success.
Jason,

I really dont understand your abrupt decision, i am afraid you might be taking this a little too personally. I wish you had discussed this matter with one of the mods before making a public announcement.
As far as the incidents you talk about about:

A) As far as your discussion with anottoobrightirishman, i dont see how it is bothering since his feelings were hurt and not yours :). But seriously it is not uncommon for heated discussions to end up with somebody's feelings being hurt, but trust me Ken, Sonny and I try very hard to keep at the lowest possible minimum.

B) As far as JSTAT, i dont see how is that affecting you in any way. We all know he is a troll I can't think of any member who supports his claims or sympathesize with them. His claims have always been debunked by numerous members, and in case you havent noticed he has been permanently banned by Sonny.

C) I dont see how how a member calling a game that you play a trash game any reason for you to leave a forum, he can do his own thing and you do yours, as long as you satisfied with your results who cares what other people think.

Anyway, i hope you would reconsider your decision, many members including myself enjoy your posts and appreciate your contributions on the boards.

Cheers,

ICNT
 

21forme

Well-Known Member
#13
I agree with Monkey. You'll be back...

I stormed off in a tiff a few weeks ago and came back almost a week later once things settled down.

Regarding AC, we both know from experience that the best counters are honed there. You have to be better to beat the AC games. This isn't meant to be derogatory to CP, but anyone can beat the games he describes :grin:

Re JSTAT, he's a hack, now spreading his lies on Snyder's site. He was laughed off Wong's site and rightfully banned here. He's running out of places to spread his propaganda. In any case, what he does or says should not bother you at all.

Enjoy your break!
 

Billy C1

Well-Known Member
#15
Reconsider?

I'd like to see you stay as you've been helpful to me.
Majority of members here (myself included) aren't Vegas residents but go there with some frequency, so it's nice to have someone "on the ground" there posting here.

BillyC1
 

Sharky

Well-Known Member
#16
I am new to this site, but not new to BJ. KJ seems to me like a reasonable dude and does provide good insight and up to date info on games that he plays.

Just not sure the reason, or need, to make a public statement about leaving.

And why is this posted under card counting:confused:

KJ, I wish you all the best and continued success at the tables.

Later,

~S
 

bjcount

Well-Known Member
#17
Kewl J,

Take a few weeks off. Concentrate on your game.

If I have it right the more hours and time you put into the battle, the less tolerant your becoming for some of the posts.

Believe me I know the feeling. I can't tell you how many times I went to reply to a post and just before I posted it, I deleted it. Or the many times I did post a reply just to delete it after it posted, and the mods can tell you thats true.

Whether you decide to take a break and then come back, or just read and stay away, your old posts will continue to be thoughts for others to learn from.

Be strong, be bold, and show No Mercy. Just leave a few scraps for some of the others.

Good Cards to ya dude,

BJC

PS: catch ya at gc
 

psyduck

Well-Known Member
#18
Jason,

I hope you will stay and contribute as you have been doing. I have always enjoyed your posts and learned a lot from them.

In real life, one will always need to deal with people who disagree with you or even dislike you. What should one do? Stop living? Of course not! Let others say what they like and hold your own ground and stick to your own gun.

Don't leave because of reasons you described. Toughen up!
 

chichow

Well-Known Member
#19
Its just words on an internet forum. Don't let it get to you.

Then again walking away is not a bad thing either.

On a personal note, I went for a period of time with no cell phone, no internet, etc. . At first you kinda of get the shakes....omg I need to check my email. Later on, its quite freeing and if if someone asks you the time, you might reply...errr time to feed the pigs?

anyways, all the best
 
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Canceler

Well-Known Member
#20
Someone should do a study on people’s perception of time these days.

21forme said:
I stormed off in a tiff a few weeks ago and came back almost a week later once things settled down.
21forme was actually gone for 45 hours and 8 minutes, or less than two days. When he came back, everyone acted like it had been MUCH longer. 21forme himself thinks it was MUCH longer. Interesting.

21forme said:
I agree with Monkey. You'll be back...
Now all that remains is to see if KewlJ can stay away for longer than two days, while thinking it’s a week and a half.
 

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