if someone else is tipping big, should I not tip?

Bondy3

Well-Known Member
#1
Hi,

I was playing a couple days ago and there was a drunk guy who kept tipping $25 whenever he won, he wasn't using correct basic stratagy and he was playing like an idiot, but giving the dealer a green chip every time he won was adding up really fast, I felt like if I was going to give the dealer a "normal" size tip I would look like a cheap-ass so I didn't tip, the guy probably gave our dealer over $1000 in the span of a few hours,

should I have also tipped? or in that type of situation is it better not to tip?
 
#2
How much was he betting?

I would probably break down in tears if I was the dealer and then they brought in a new dealer after only like 15 minutes
 

Abenzio

Active Member
#3
Bondy3 said:
Hi,

I was playing a couple days ago and there was a drunk guy who kept tipping $25 whenever he won, he wasn't using correct basic stratagy and he was playing like an idiot, but giving the dealer a green chip every time he won was adding up really fast, I felt like if I was going to give the dealer a "normal" size tip I would look like a cheap-ass so I didn't tip, the guy probably gave our dealer over $1000 in the span of a few hours,

should I have also tipped? or in that type of situation is it better not to tip?

An AP once posted this joke: "What's the difference between a canoe and an AP?" An answer was: "One "tips" but the other never!"

To tip or not to tip?...hmm... I can create a situation ("a loss due to going south") where I never tip...except for a special case. There's a dealer of whom I always tip because he's the only one who teaches his fellow dealers how to "please" all players. For example, if the shoe is "bad", he finds a legit way to give his players a fresh shoe. If a shoe has been going "good", he will delay his departure for his coffee break, and he will deal players extra rounds (note#1). Why? Some players will drop or stop their tips and big bets whenever a relief-dealer comes by the table. As for me, during a "good" shoe, it's likely that a burnt card is a monkey to the detriment of players ::):grin:;).

Note#1: As long as tokes are dropped in the box and be shared with all employees, most floorpersons are more than willing to keep a happy table going.
 
#4
Abenzio

Abenzio said:
An AP once posted this joke: "What's the difference between a canoe and an AP?" An answer was: "One "tips" but the other never!"

To tip or not to tip?...hmm... I can create a situation ("a loss due to going south") where I never tip...except for a special case. There's a dealer of whom I always tip because he's the only one who teaches his fellow dealers how to "please" all players. For example, if the shoe is "bad", he finds a legit way to give his players a fresh shoe. If a shoe has been going "good", he will delay his departure for his coffee break, and he will deal players extra rounds (note#1). Why? Some players will drop or stop their tips and big bets whenever a relief-dealer comes by the table. As for me, during a "good" shoe, it's likely that a burnt card is a monkey to the detriment of players ::):grin:;).

Note#1: As long as tokes are dropped in the box and be shared with all employees, most floorpersons are more than willing to keep a happy table going.
Abenzio, nice thinking, very nice. I agree wholeheartily. I tip well to those fine dealers and frown at those players who do not. I have actually embarassed other players by tipping the dealer for them, in front of their bets, they then may get the idea.

But I never tip poor dealer, fine and poor meaning they are helping or hindering my goals in some way.

CP
 

Finn Dog

Well-Known Member
#5
This is a tough one.

As CP was eluding to, remember what a tip is supposed to be for in the first place: a gratuity in exchange for good service. Maybe they're a really nice dealer, or maybe they give better pen.

So if you have a real Sourpuss of a dealer, I've found they don't even appreciate it when you do tip...so why bother (unless you're worried about them ratting you out because of something they've observed--or unless they cut deep: then they should be rewarded anyway)?

Now with a likable friendly dealer who cuts deep, I understand $5-$25 an hour is in order. When I played the Red tables, I'd give frequent small tokes of $1 to $1.50 on Naturals and on double down wins.

But what do y'all think on Green $25 tables? I know frequent tokes are best for cover, but frequent tokes of $5 chips could really add up--therefore what about just a percentage tip at the end of the session (say 1.5%, or $15 on a $1000 win--that's fair isn't it--or is it too cheap)? And if you had no net win: no tip--because you LOST :cry:

Best regards,

FD
 
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MAZ

Well-Known Member
#6
Finn Dog said:
This is a tough one.

As CP was eluding to, remember what a tip is supposed to be for in the first place: a gratuity in exchange for good service. Maybe they're a really nice dealer, or maybe they give better pen.

So if you have a real Sourpuss of a dealer, I've found they don't even appreciate it when you do tip...so why bother (unless you're worried about them ratting you out because of something they've observed--or unless they cut deep: then they should be rewarded anyway)?

Now with a likable friendly dealer who cuts deep, I understand $5-$25 an hour is in order. When I played the Red tables, I'd give frequent small tokes of $1 to $1.50 on Naturals and on double down wins.

But what do y'all think on Green $25 tables? I know frequent tokes are best for cover, but frequent tokes of $5 chips could really add up--therefore what about just a percentage tip at the end of the session (say 1.5%, or $15 on a $1000 win--that's fair isn't it--or is it too cheap)? And if you had no net win: no tip--because you LOST :cry:

Best regards,

FD
I tip bare minimum unless it gives me leeway to pull off something I would need special treatment for. Something that would bring a dealer to do something that they would not ordinarily do. Then and only then will I let the tips fly. Straight counting big tippers are suckers. Giving away ev just to be on the good side of some goon flipping cards makes no sense. If it isn't going to change the game, save your money. Remember the only one gauranteed to make money at the table is the dealer, he's getting paid to be there. So being a nice guy doesn't pay the bills, it eats profit. And by the way CP if someone tried some bullsh*t on me by trying to throw tips out on my circle for the dealer without my permission, that toke would go straight into my pocket. Come try and get it if you want it back. It would be the last time that would happen. Nobody goes near my bet without my ok.
 
#7
all tipping does is show you have class

it makes the dealer like you somewhat


the whole pit splits the tips...

so that 25 bucks get split about 8-12 different ways depending how many dealers are in the pit


you dont look cheap if u only give the dealer a dollar

it shows u had more class then not tipping..

but i see what you mean if some crazed fool is throwing 25 bucks at her every hand

ur dollar looks like nothing... so why even bother..

i guess if u like the guy and ur leaving toss him some kinda tip he wont look at you being cheap. every dollar counts to people who receive tips.
 
#8
Maz

MAZ said:
I tip bare minimum unless it gives me leeway to pull off something I would need special treatment for. Something that would bring a dealer to do something that they would not ordinarily do. Then and only then will I let the tips fly. Straight counting big tippers are suckers. Giving away ev just to be on the good side of some goon flipping cards makes no sense. If it isn't going to change the game, save your money. Remember the only one gauranteed to make money at the table is the dealer, he's getting paid to be there. So being a nice guy doesn't pay the bills, it eats profit. And by the way CP if someone tried some bullsh*t on me by trying to throw tips out on my circle for the dealer without my permission, that toke would go straight into my pocket. Come try and get it if you want it back. It would be the last time that would happen. Nobody goes near my bet without my ok.
Maz,

I have done that on several occasions, I enjoy it,,, I guess if the playa wants to pocket the money, it is between him/her and the dealer:laugh: If I ever find myself at a table and I think it may be you, I will not offend you by placing the tip, however if it is you and I don't know it.... well,,,,I guess I would find out rather quickly:grin:

Regards,
CP
 

Abenzio

Active Member
#9
1 more thought about tipping: Never cross THE LINE

Do not take advantage of a tip-hustling dealer's intentional or very obvious errors. The extra bucks will come back to haunt you. For example, an overly friendly dealer failed to shuffle the shoe and offered me to cut the decks (chucks of monkeys were at the bottom of the shoe). Use your commonsense please when encountering "over-friendly dealers" :).
 
#10
Abenzio

Abenzio said:
1 more thought about tipping: Never cross THE LINE

Do not take advantage of a tip-hustling dealer's intentional or very obvious errors. The extra bucks will come back to haunt you. For example, an overly friendly dealer failed to shuffle the shoe and offered me to cut the decks (chucks of monkeys were at the bottom of the shoe). Use your commonsense please when encountering "over-friendly dealers" :).
How true, thanks!

Story, at one of the BASHES we were all in a private section of a dining room when out of the blue a BJ dealer shows up, (now this dealer I believe may have been bringing heat down on me and another AP the night before, serious heat, or maybe she was getting the heat:confused:), she proceeds to come up to our table and say she needed $300 to cover a check she had wrote and was looking for us to give it to her!!!:eek:, (this is also the same dealer I had a side deal with concerning her activitys in dealing DD to me), one of the AP's being the outstanding gentleman he is, (ST), was going to give her money until I engaged her and told her that we may see her later. This was in a casino dining room with cameras!! The entire situation was very bizarre but to this day she is still employed as a dealer, and probably still shilling for cash, on and off the tables!! :laugh:

CP
 

Blue Efficacy

Well-Known Member
#11
MAZ said:
I tip bare minimum unless it gives me leeway to pull off something I would need special treatment for. Something that would bring a dealer to do something that they would not ordinarily do. Then and only then will I let the tips fly. Straight counting big tippers are suckers. Giving away ev just to be on the good side of some goon flipping cards makes no sense. If it isn't going to change the game, save your money. Remember the only one gauranteed to make money at the table is the dealer, he's getting paid to be there. So being a nice guy doesn't pay the bills, it eats profit. And by the way CP if someone tried some bullsh*t on me by trying to throw tips out on my circle for the dealer without my permission, that toke would go straight into my pocket. Come try and get it if you want it back. It would be the last time that would happen. Nobody goes near my bet without my ok.
I like this guy.
 

Blue Efficacy

Well-Known Member
#12
And as far as the original question, if the dealers keep their own I would not tip under any circumstance in that situation with someone tipping green.

If the dealers split tips, I still probably won't, as my 1 or 2 white chips will loo like nothing. Unless the dealer is cutting deeper than the norm for that store, or I can tell they are on to my skills. And I am not talking about card counting, either!
 

somtum

Well-Known Member
#14
I don't normally give tips but will make exceptions to a dealer who is benefiting me such as when I was playing DD for the first time this month out in Vegas. The pit boss was making references about my play to the dealer... while the dealer was trying to keep the pit from giving me heat.


Although, eventually it came to a point when the pit said to the dealer..right at the table.. "They told me to turn up the heat" :eek:

I thought.. Who told the pit to turn up the heat? Casino Management? Surveillance ?

Anyways, played a couple more shoes with the pit now intensely watching after his comment.. then gave the dealer a nice tip before leaving.
 
#15
but if you do decide to tip, how much are you suppose to tip?? is it a percentages of your winnings, or is it the percentage of what you are taking away from the table at the end of a session at the table regardless of whether you have won or lost.
 

Blue Efficacy

Well-Known Member
#16
elias001 said:
but if you do decide to tip, how much are you suppose to tip?? is it a percentages of your winnings, or is it the percentage of what you are taking away from the table at the end of a session at the table regardless of whether you have won or lost.
Tip whatever you feel is appropriate. Some players tip small chips for the dealer on their hand, others give a tip at the end. Some tip more than others. It is all up to you.
 

Sharky

Well-Known Member
#17
I NEVER tip at the end as you are better off tipping the dealers while you are playing in hopes, at least, that if they understand the game enough that you may get deeper pen and additional cut opportunities (dealer gets the cut card, player leaves, etc).

I also always play for the dealer to get them 'in the game' and on your side which is never a bad thing (see above).

Also, rather than just giving the dealer tokes, a better idea is to play half of what you intended to tip for them and place the other half to your stack. This is an 'I win you win' technique where the dealer can earn $$ on your skill.

This is a good way to get rid of those pesky $2.50 chips. So, say, after you have accumulated 2 $2.50 chips play one for the dealer and place the other on top of your bet. If you win, the dealer gets $5 and you get 2 $2.50 chips (have them pay you this way, rather than one $5). Now, repeat! So as long as you win, the dealer wins and this only cost you the original $5 you were going to give them anyways. Several times I have won 5+ times in a row and morphed that $5 tip into a $25+ tip all the while only costing me that original fin.

Of course, if you lose the 1st bet with this technique, they get nothing but do typically "thank you for the play"" - which is worth something (see above)
 

Sharky

Well-Known Member
#18
oh, btw, forgot to mention...if I am down..NOTHING FOR YOU!!!

Sorry, but those pesky chips will go to the hot waitresses. :laugh:
 
#19
As far as tipping is concerned, I don't believe in tipping the dealers. The casino doesn't tip you if you lose, so why bother tipping them when you win. They have the advantage most of the time anyway, and rake in tons of cash so I dont believe in giving them anymore than i have to, and that goes for the "lowly" dealers. I mean there the only ones at the table guranteed to make money since there on the clock and working for the man, and when i'm at the casino im tryin to bring the man down. ha. Tipping the waitresses and waiters and bartenders is differant, but i cant see tippin the dealers.
 

21gunsalute

Well-Known Member
#20
nunchakyo said:
As far as tipping is concerned, I don't believe in tipping the dealers. The casino doesn't tip you if you lose, so why bother tipping them when you win. They have the advantage most of the time anyway, and rake in tons of cash so I dont believe in giving them anymore than i have to, and that goes for the "lowly" dealers. I mean there the only ones at the table guranteed to make money since there on the clock and working for the man, and when i'm at the casino im tryin to bring the man down. ha. Tipping the waitresses and waiters and bartenders is differant, but i cant see tippin the dealers.
They make minimum wage. Tip 'em.
 
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