Dice Control: Is It Cheating?

[zengrifter]

DICE CONTROL: IS IT CHEATING?
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This subject comes up from time to time in magazines, books, and especially on the Internet in discussions about casino gaming. Is it cheating to be able to set the dice in certain combinations and to throw the dice in a manner which limits the appearance of certain numbers or produces a better chance that certain numbers will show?

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[bj bob]

Dear Zg, Having watched "Breaking Vegas" and several other shows on the subject as well as buying Scolbete's book I don't see any difference between setting and controlling dice and counting cards. It's simply skill...Is a highly competent BS blackjack player more successful than a "play my hunch" floppy? Of course ! Is a "tight" craps player(one who plays only pass/don't w/ full odds)more likely to win than the Hard Way,Hi-Lo,and C/Ebettor?You bet.The only difference between counting cards or perfect BS and dice control is that one is mental and the other is physical. Talent is talent. So let's use what we have achieved and let the good times(and dice) roll! BJ

[zengrifter]

Originally Posted by bj bob

Harolds Club RENO OR BUST

Harolds Club is long gone! zg

[bj bob]

Oh REALLY? That's what they said about Hendrix and Joplin, but I just saw them both live in concert after ingesting some of Mikeaber's E-stash. There's gone and then there's GONE

[nc-tom]

In spite of what some of the folks said in the artical that ZG posted I agree with BJ Bob that dice control is a skill not cheating. There is a book by Sharpshooter out that explains the mechanics behind the skill as well as what you need to do to learn and develope this skill. Only problem is its dam hard. I have found it much easier to learn to count cards that to learn dice control or develope a SRR better than the mean of 6 to 1.It is like trying to learn a golf swing. You can read and take lessons all you want but you will probably not have a swing like a PGA pro no matter how much you pratice.In the 5 years since I first read about this I can honestly say I have played with no more than 5 people who I felt were dice controllers. Sure is nice when you find one though. To anyone who can learn this skill well more power to ya.

[zengrifter]

What if there is a sign posted at the table that says "NO DICE CONTROL ALLOWED"? zg

[rdorange]

Does the "what if" sign say no dice control, or no dice setting?

[moo321]

The problem with dice control is that the standard for cheating in Nevada is whether you alter the odds of the game. Card counting involves betting when you have an advantage, not changing the odds of the game. I don't know about dice control.

[RJT]

Originally Posted by moo321

The problem with dice control is that the standard for cheating in Nevada is whether you alter the odds of the game. Card counting involves betting when you have an advantage, not changing the odds of the game. I don't know about dice control.

That's actually a very good point although i don't think it would stand up in court.
Think of it this way - in blackjack a shuffle tracker who consistently cuts the high cards into play actually affects the odds of the game. Without realising it, everyone playing at the table will benifit from the excess of high cards they are playing through each round. Is shuffle tracking considered illegal? No. Shuffle tracking is not considered illegal because the casino allows customers to cut the deck. All the shuffle tracker has done is learn how to skillfully cut in positions that benifit him. As long as the casino allow you to do something, it can't be considered illegal to do it skillfully.
The same applies to dice control. The player is allowed by the casino to roll the dice. As long as they stay within the bounds of the pre-defined standards - i.e. hitting the back wall it would be my understanding that any court would rule that they can roll any way they like.


RJT.

[ChefJJ]

Originally Posted by zengrifter

What if there is a sign posted at the table that says "NO DICE CONTROL ALLOWED"? zg

You would treat it like a sign at a BJ table that said "NO CARD COUNTING ALLOWED". Cover plays.