No wonder I despise casinos

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Sucker

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bAs I was scouting the Excalibur last night I came upon a bj table with an old asian man, playing head-to-head with the dealer. It quickly became evident that he had NO CLUE how to play, even though was betting $200 a hand & had a stack of about 30 blacks in front of him.

b First hand, he gets 2 aces vs. dealers' 6 up. He thinks about it for a minute & then hits rather than splits. Dealer gives him an 8; he now has 20. Still confused, he thinks for another minute; then scratches for another hit. Quick as a wink, the dealer IMMEDIATELY slaps another hit card down in front of him (deuce)!
bAfter witnessing this, I couldn't help myself. I said to the dealer, in a matter of fact voice "That was kind of dirty of you". He shrugged his shoulder & said; "What? He asked for a hit." Without raising my voice I replied; "You knew he had 20". (face up game) At this point he turned around & started yelling "FLOOR!", so I slithered on out the door before the heat came down upon ME.

bThis just goes to show what kind of scumbags these places can be. Thought others might be interested in this story. And this is not the FIRST time I've seen an incident such as this.
 
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shadroch

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For every one dealer I've experianced like that, I've found several that were very helpful. Just as most ploppies forget the times the thirdbaseman saves them, but remembers when he burns them, people here seem to forget whenever something good happens in a casino and always harp on the bad.
 
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aslan

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shadroch said:
people here seem to forget whenever something good happens in a casino and always harp on the bad.
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...which is like remembering the murder at you neighbor's house, and not all the houses in the neighborhood where no murder has taken place. Hey, when the casino shows it's #ss, it's news,,,when they're nice, it's same ole same ole. Don't get me wrong, I hear what you're saying, but it does gripe people when they see what Sucker described. The helpful casino employees are just being what they are supposed to be, and THAT SHOULD be the rule and not the exception. I agree that most casino people are helpful, and below the pit boss level, few could care less about the bottom line.
 
KenSmith

KenSmith

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Some joints definitely discourage helpful dealers, and it is scary to see just how scummy they can be in "getting the money".

There of course can be benefits for a skilled player when he plays against a dealer that doesn't care at all how "badly" you play your hands. That's likely enough said about that though.
 
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assume_R

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Do any of you hold any disdain (or perhaps pity?) for the ploppy who willingly bets $200 of (presumably) hard-earned cash without having any idea what he/she is doing? Without having any minimal knowledge about what he/she is betting $200 on? While I can have compassion for people that casinos prey on, I find it hard to respect that loose attitude with money.

I certainly don't condone that gleeful attitude Sucker described, and in fact find it highly reprimandable, but it really bothers me how people seem eager to truly "gamble their money away." Maybe I'm just callous and will probably get a slew of backlash responses for this post....
 
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muppet

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assume_R said:
Do any of you hold any disdain (or perhaps pity?) for the ploppy who willingly bets $200 of (presumably) hard-earned cash without having any idea what he/she is doing? Without having any minimal knowledge about what he/she is betting $200 on? While I can have compassion for people that casinos prey on, I find it hard to respect that loose attitude with money.

I certainly don't condone that gleeful attitude Sucker described, and in fact find it highly reprimandable, but it really bothers me how people seem eager to truly "gamble their money away." Maybe I'm just callous and will probably get a slew of backlash responses for this post....
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yeah..i really don't care if a ploppy wants to gamble with their money..especially when they don't have any idea of basic strategy
 
KenSmith

KenSmith

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assume_R said:
Do any of you hold any disdain for the ploppy?
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Yep, I have disdain for both sides of that transaction. The existence of clueless players is a big plus for the rest of us though.
 
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21forme

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KenSmith said:
Yep, I have disdain for both sides of that transaction. The existence of clueless players is a big plus for the rest of us though.
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Agreed.

It's funny - I was at one of my local casinos today and there was a big bettor playing the whole table. A PC was stationed to watch and both the dealer and PC were cheering for the player. I commented to the PC that it's nice to see you guys root for the player because in LV it seems to be the opposite. This all happened before I read this thread.
 
StandardDeviant

StandardDeviant

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Sucker said:
This just goes to show what kind of scumbags these places can be. Thought others might be interested in this story. And this is not the FIRST time I've seen an incident such as this.
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Hmmm....It's not the dealer's job to correct player errors, or to teach BS. The dealer's job is to follow player instructions according to the rules of the game. That doesn't make the dealer a scumbag. A lifeless drone, maybe, but not a scumbag.
 
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Sucker

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StandardDeviant said:
Hmmm....It's not the dealer's job to correct player errors, or to teach BS. The dealer's job is to follow player instructions according to the rules of the game.
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You are SO wrong. That is only PART of his job. His job is also to total up players' scores for them. His job is even more importantly to be an ambassador who represents the company that he works for. Ask ANY pit boss. The dealers' job is to provide entertainment for the customers.

If you fail to see the irony in this particular dealers' actions, then I cannot help you any more.
 
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Mr. T

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Reminds me of Macau where I ask the pit boss about the details of the BS rules variation between his local casino and his US competitors.
I can see that he didn't like the questions one bit because he knows that I know how to play my BJ.
 
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UK-21

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StandardDeviant said:
Hmmm....It's not the dealer's job to correct player errors, or to teach BS. The dealer's job is to follow player instructions according to the rules of the game. That doesn't make the dealer a scumbag. A lifeless drone, maybe, but not a scumbag.
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Don't agree either. From the story told my feelings are the dealer was a 24 carat wanker, and fate will provide him with his reward for that at sometime.
 
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pooptarts92

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I'm a good dealer when it comes to this type of stuff. I usually ask a second time if I see someone doing something unusual like hitting a stiff vs a 6, just to make sure lol. As for times when people should be hitting, such as soft 17 and 18, I say "seven or seventeen, eight or eighteen" but if it's a BS stand I say the hard total, like 19 or 20. I usually never say 10 or 20, but 9 or 19 i do against any stiffs cuz people like to double on the rare occasion.
 
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JohnGalt1

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KenSmith said:
Yep, I have disdain for both sides of that transaction. The existence of clueless players is a big plus for the rest of us though.
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I respectfully disagree.

It was true that bad players giving their money away through poor playing allowed casinos to offer more favorible rules for the rest of us and still make a decent profit.

Today, as we know, especially for the new and low income players who play low limits, casinos offer games that are unplayable.
 
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aslan

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JohnGalt1 said:
I respectfully disagree.

It was true that bad players giving their money away through poor playing allowed casinos to offer more favorible rules for the rest of us and still make a decent profit.

Today, as we know, especially for the new and low income players who play low limits, casinos offer games that are unplayable.
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...like continuous shuffle games, and 6/5 blackjack, both of which are cropping up everywhere. And more recently, H17, NDAS, 50% pen double deck. you've got to be clueless to play these games, at least, strictly on a card counting basis.
 
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shadroch

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Yes, let us return to the heyday of Vegas, where the mob ran honest games, never shortstacked the decks, didn't employ mechanics and invited counters for special treatments in its back offices.
 
aslan

aslan

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Spoken like a true shareholder in the corporate gaming world. It may be better nowadays in some respects as mentioned, but in those growing number of cases where you can't win, you still can't win. Even for the recreational player, it tends to take a good part of the recreation out of it. Others may disagree.
 
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21gunsalute

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Sucker said:
bAs I was scouting the Excalibur last night I came upon a bj table with an old asian man, playing head-to-head with the dealer. It quickly became evident that he had NO CLUE how to play, even though was betting $200 a hand & had a stack of about 30 blacks in front of him.

b First hand, he gets 2 aces vs. dealers' 6 up. He thinks about it for a minute & then hits rather than splits. Dealer gives him an 8; he now has 20. Still confused, he thinks for another minute; then scratches for another hit. Quick as a wink, the dealer IMMEDIATELY slaps another hit card down in front of him (deuce)!
bAfter witnessing this, I couldn't help myself. I said to the dealer, in a matter of fact voice "That was kind of dirty of you". He shrugged his shoulder & said; "What? He asked for a hit." Without raising my voice I replied; "You knew he had 20". (face up game) At this point he turned around & started yelling "FLOOR!", so I slithered on out the door before the heat came down upon ME.

bThis just goes to show what kind of scumbags these places can be. Thought others might be interested in this story. And this is not the FIRST time I've seen an incident such as this.
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Can't tell from your post, but it's possible the asian man didn't speak English and/or ignored previous advice the dealer tried to give. I've seen that happen quite a few times.
 
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ycming

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Errr .... is it not normal we should expect decent customer services in the casino ? so when staff are begin nice, is that not part of their job ?

Ming
 
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