Splitting Tens.

[ScottH]

I noticed there in Knockout Blackjack they never give any index for splitting tens. At what point is it profitable to split tens? Or should I just never split tens to avoid heat?

[zengrifter]

Split 10s included. zg

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KO 1-2D 'composite' for ScottH

Here are my approximated/composite-type 1-2D RC indices for KO:

(feel free to recommend improvements)

INS=+3

12 /2=+4, 3=+4, 4=IRC, 5=IRC, 6=IRC

13 /2=IRC, 3=IRC

15 /9=+9, 10=+4, A=+8

16 /9=+6, 10=KC, A=+7

8 /3=+8, 4=+6, 5=+4, 6=+4

9 /2=+4, 7=+4

10 /10=+4, A=+4

11 /10=IRC, A=KC

A6 /2=KC

A7 /2=KC

A8 /4=+4, 5=KC, 6=KC

A9 /5=+4, 6=+4

XX /5=+4, 6=+4

SUR:

88 /9=+2, 10=+2, A=+2

16 /8=+5, 9=0, 10=IRC, A=IRC

15 /8=+7, 9=+4, 10=0, A=+3

14 /10=+4, A=+5

[ScottH]

Originally Posted by zengrifter

Split 10s included. zg

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KO 1-2D 'composite' for ScottH

Here are my approximated/composite-type 1-2D RC indices for KO:

(feel free to recommend improvements)

INS=+3

12 /2=+4, 3=+4, 4=IRC, 5=IRC, 6=IRC

13 /2=IRC, 3=IRC

15 /9=+9, 10=+4, A=+8

16 /9=+6, 10=KC, A=+7

8 /3=+8, 4=+6, 5=+4, 6=+4

9 /2=+4, 7=+4

10 /10=+4, A=+4

11 /10=IRC, A=KC

A6 /2=KC

A7 /2=KC

A8 /4=+4, 5=KC, 6=KC

A9 /5=+4, 6=+4

XX /5=+4, 6=+4

SUR:

88 /9=+2, 10=+2, A=+2

16 /8=+5, 9=0, 10=IRC, A=IRC

15 /8=+7, 9=+4, 10=0, A=+3

14 /10=+4, A=+5

Thanks. Do you have anything for multiple decks?

**EDIT: To adjust these numbers for mulitple decks do you just add the difference in the IRC? Also, I noticed in the KO book some of the indexes for 6 and 8 decks it says "omit". Does that mean that they arent of value because the count never gets to that point?

"12 /2=+4, 3=+4, 4=IRC, 5=IRC, 6=IRC"

Ok, I read this as that you stand with 12 vs 2 and 3 at +4. But what does the 4=IRC, 5=IRC, 6=IRC mean?

[zengrifter]

Originally Posted by ScottH

Thanks. Do you have anything for multiple decks?

**EDIT: To adjust these numbers for mulitple decks do you just add the difference in the IRC? Also, I noticed in the KO book some of the indexes for 6 and 8 decks it says "omit". Does that mean that they arent of value because the count never gets to that point?

"12 /2=+4, 3=+4, 4=IRC, 5=IRC, 6=IRC"

Ok, I read this as that you stand with 12 vs 2 and 3 at +4. But what does the 4=IRC, 5=IRC, 6=IRC mean?

I'm not sure how to calc the #s for 6D - I'll look into it. Can anyone else answer that?

Regarding 4=IRC that means your index 12vs4 is equal to your IRC (which is different depending on how may decks you're playing). zg

[Canceler]

Originally Posted by zengrifter

I'm not sure how to calc the #s for 6D - I'll look into it. Can anyone else answer that?

I can't answer that, but you know I'm dying to know the answer!

Lists of indices have always been a little cryptic to me. Let me run something up the flagpole, and see if anyone shoots it down, to mix metaphors.

An index indicates a deviation from regular BS. Anyone who has gotten to the point of being interested in indices should not only know BS, but should be able to figure out what the deviation is.

For example: "12 /2=+4, 3=+4, 4=IRC, 5=IRC, 6=IRC" To me, this means at +4 or above we stand with 12 against 2 & 3. For the rest of it, standing is normal against 4,5,6. Doubling would be crazy, and nothing is said about the 12 being two sixes, so splitting is out. Therefore, at the IRC or lower, we hit 12 against 4,5,6.

Am I thinking about this correctly?

[Mikeaber]

Just a note that might clairify things a bit. With KO, if you are starting with the prescribed IRC, then +3 is always where you take Insurance. +4 is called the Pivot Point or PP. The Key Count or KC varies with the number of decks in play. So any time you see +4 in these tables, think of it as the Pivot.

Now, the way I would interpret these tables for any number of decks is that you would act the same according to the indices if the number is +4 or greater since that is the pivot (everything connected to the number of decks has been accounted for once the KC has been reached.) Of course it varies if the action is tied to the KC since that itself varies.

Obviously, I'm not an expert here....just someone with logic trying to apply it where it possibly shouldn't be applied.

[zengrifter]

Originally Posted by Canceler

For example: "12 /2=+4, 3=+4, 4=IRC, 5=IRC, 6=IRC" To me, this means at +4 or above we stand with 12 against 2 & 3. For the rest of it, standing is normal against 4,5,6. Doubling would be crazy, and nothing is said about the 12 being two sixes, so splitting is out. Therefore, at the IRC or lower, we hit 12 against 4,5,6. - Am I thinking about this correctly?

No, double down. zg

[zengrifter]

Originally Posted by Mikeaber

The Key Count or KC varies with the number of decks in play...

As does the IRC. zg

[Canceler]

Originally Posted by zengrifter

No, double down. zg

Now see, this is the sort of thing that sends people home crying! The joker smilie makes me think you're kidding. If you're just trying to mess with my mind, you've succeeded!

[Sonny]

Originally Posted by Canceler

Now see, this is the sort of thing that sends people home crying! The joker smilie makes me think you're kidding. If you're just trying to mess with my mind, you've succeeded!

Ah, the Grifter's sarcasm turns another AP into a ploppy!

Yes Chanceler, your intuition is correct. When the count is low you will want to hit those twelves because you are more likely to get a small card on top of them instead of busting. You'll have to excuse ZG, he has a diabolical sense of humor...

-Sonny-