Observation at a 3 Card Poker table

SWFL Blackjack

SWFL Blackjack

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On a recent visit to a casino in the Midwest, I noticed a sign on a table I have never seen before. It read, almost exactly “For your protection, please hold your cards in a manner that doesn’t allow them to be seen by other players.” I had to read this sign three times just to confirm I had read it correctly. For the player’s protection? This is just comical. If the player flashes their cards, is a masked man going to jump out from behind the table and shoot them? Most casinos allow players to show each other their cards, and even ask the dealer for advice on how to play the hand. Any literature on 3 card poker will tell you that at even a full table, player collusion would only improve the game marginally, but nowhere near enough to make it playable.

What makes this even better was at the table next to it was a DD BJ game where the dealer made absolutely no attempt to cover the bottom card when removing the decks from the ASM. So much for protection…
 
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1357111317

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Yeah this rule blows my mind. Casinos should be encouraging it so your average gambler thinks he can get an edge by seeing other players cards. He might even think he can win at it, therefore betting more and playing more.

Once again, ignorance and stupidity costing the casino money.
 
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pooptarts92

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This reminds me of my casino a bit, on a tiny little "Rules" sign we have on eaxh poker-variation game table it reads that "Players may not share information with one another regarding their hands, violation of this rule will result in a dead hand."
Yet everybody at each table all look at eachother's hands and comment on how good or bad it is, with pit bosses watching. Silly rules like these are never enforced.:joker:
 
SWFL Blackjack

SWFL Blackjack

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Just like The Book says, casino employees have two main objectives: Stay out of trouble and avoid work. They think these dumb rules will help them achieve those objectives. I once saw a player run out of money, go to borrow money from a buddy at the table, and the pit got upset and said they couldn't play on the same bankroll at a table. :whip:

All of a sudden the casino has gotten picky about whose money they can take. :laugh:
 
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WRX

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SWFL Blackjack said:
On a recent visit to a casino in the Midwest, I noticed a sign on a table I have never seen before. It read, almost exactly “For your protection, please hold your cards in a manner that doesn’t allow them to be seen by other players.”
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It's important that I protect my hand, so that no one sees when I'm throwing away pairs. Reminders by the casino are always welcome.

See Exhibit CAA on the futility of using information on neighbors' cards, to appreciate how ridiculous efforts to prevent the sharing of information are.
 
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fubster

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Lonesome Gambler said:
The ol' "one bankroll per player" rule: a classic in casino "game protection."
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Think Forte mentioned that in his book, no?

"The most dangerous threat to game integrity is the source of the money being wagered."

Oh, wait...
 
Automatic Monkey

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Lonesome Gambler said:
The ol' "one bankroll per player" rule: a classic in casino "game protection."
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That's the kind of thinking I like to see from a casino. They'd probably believe they can beat me by waiting until I'm down before they back me off, too.

The "protect your hand" rule is probably a carryover from the real poker room. But there is the fact that players showing one another cards and trying to make a decision based on it slows down the game, and that really does make a difference to the casino.
 
SWFL Blackjack

SWFL Blackjack

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Automatic Monkey said:
But there is the fact that players showing one another cards and trying to make a decision based on it slows down the game, and that really does make a difference to the casino.
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I don't think this would slow down the game any more than the other behaviors civilians demonstrate, such as peeking at one card then shuffling them, fanning them out very slowly, or other silly techniques that slow down the game more than them just saying “Hey, should I play this?” :confused:
 
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shadroch

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SWFL Blackjack said:
On a recent visit to a casino in the Midwest, I noticed a sign on a table I have never seen before. It read, almost exactly “For your protection, please hold your cards in a manner that doesn’t allow them to be seen by other players.” I had to read this sign three times just to confirm I had read it correctly. For the player’s protection? This is just comical. If the player flashes their cards, is a masked man going to jump out from behind the table and shoot them? Most casinos allow players to show each other their cards, and even ask the dealer for advice on how to play the hand. Any literature on 3 card poker will tell you that at even a full table, player collusion would only improve the game marginally, but nowhere near enough to make it playable.

What makes this even better was at the table next to it was a DD BJ game where the dealer made absolutely no attempt to cover the bottom card when removing the decks from the ASM. So much for protection…
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Put it to the test. complain after a losing hand that player collusion occured and point out thayt by rule, its a dead hand.
 
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shadroch

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SWFL Blackjack said:
On a recent visit to a casino in the Midwest, I noticed a sign on a table I have never seen before. It read, almost exactly “For your protection, please hold your cards in a manner that doesn’t allow them to be seen by other players.” I had to read this sign three times just to confirm I had read it correctly. For the player’s protection? This is just comical. If the player flashes their cards, is a masked man going to jump out from behind the table and shoot them? Most casinos allow players to show each other their cards, and even ask the dealer for advice on how to play the hand. Any literature on 3 card poker will tell you that at even a full table, player collusion would only improve the game marginally, but nowhere near enough to make it playable.

What makes this even better was at the table next to it was a DD BJ game where the dealer made absolutely no attempt to cover the bottom card when removing the decks from the ASM. So much for protection…
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Put it to the test. Complain after a losing hand that player collusion occured and point out thayt by rule, its a dead hand.
 
SWFL Blackjack

SWFL Blackjack

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shadroch said:
Put it to the test. complain after a losing hand that player collusion occured and point out thayt by rule, its a dead hand.
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Hmm... I like your thinking. I can't wait until my next trip. It's going to be fun!:laugh:

"Excuse me, this jerk beside me looked at my cards which caused me to lose. The sign specifically says that by him seeing my hand, it is a dead hand!":flame:
 
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NightStalker said:
they may put you in jail for collusion charges
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My attorney and I would simply LOVE this. And as far as Shadrock's idea - great idea; but I've got a hundred bucks that says it won't work, and another 50 that says if you push it, it'll get you kicked out. :laugh:
 
Lonesome Gambler

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NightStalker said:
It's not allowed as per game rules. Try playing two hands by yourself :)
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I almost always play 2 hands by myself, but they have to be played separately to prevent card swapping. The information I'm going on is from James Grosjean, who notes that the inventor of the game was probably aware of the futility of sharing hand information when he allowed it in the rules, stating that the game is meant to be a "social" one.
 
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Albee

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DD game

I hope you tried to seize the opportunity when you saw the last card the dealer didn't hide. (if there was an opportunity).
 
Automatic Monkey

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Lonesome Gambler said:
I almost always play 2 hands by myself, but they have to be played separately to prevent card swapping. The information I'm going on is from James Grosjean, who notes that the inventor of the game was probably aware of the futility of sharing hand information when he allowed it in the rules, stating that the game is meant to be a "social" one.
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It's not quite futile, just not enough to get you over the top. Smart players could use it to take a bite out of the HE but the smart 3CP players are doing something else. The Pair Plus sidebet is where they make all their money anyway.
 
SWFL Blackjack

SWFL Blackjack

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Automatic Monkey said:
It's not quite futile, just not enough to get you over the top. Smart players could use it to take a bite out of the HE but the smart 3CP players are doing something else. The Pair Plus sidebet is where they make all their money anyway.
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When you say they, are you referring to the casino or the "smart players?" If I'm not mistaken, don't the smart players usually avoid the Pair Plus at all costs?
 
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