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Old November 5th, 2010, 05:05 AM
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I was thinking it would be kind of fun to try attacking a 6:5 game. I'd be playing a small unit and doing it more for the challenge than anything.

Any advice? I use TKO, which I know isn't ideal for single deck, but oh well...

Can a very aggressive spread beat it? Spreading from 1 to 2x40 would crush, right?

How much does the lower BJ payoff devalue aces? Sequencing is still worthwhile, right?

I play primarily shoe games and 2D where I can get good pen. I've only played single deck when a casino was running a deal where they payed 2-1 on naturals during certain time periods, which applied to the 6:5 games as well. (That was a ton of fun, I flat be 3x$100 and made a killing.)
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Old November 11th, 2010, 02:46 PM
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I have some advice:

Don't Do It.
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Old November 11th, 2010, 03:43 PM
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Can a very aggressive spread beat it? Spreading from 1 to 2x40 would crush, right?
Yes.
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How much does the lower BJ payoff devalue aces? Sequencing is still worthwhile, right?
Yes, with the big spread indicated.

Keep us appraised of your results, just for fun. zg
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Old November 11th, 2010, 06:08 PM
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I was thinking it would be kind of fun to try attacking a 6:5 game. I'd be playing a small unit and doing it more for the challenge than anything.

Any advice? I use TKO, which I know isn't ideal for single deck, but oh well...

Can a very aggressive spread beat it? Spreading from 1 to 2x40 would crush, right?

How much does the lower BJ payoff devalue aces? Sequencing is still worthwhile, right?

I play primarily shoe games and 2D where I can get good pen. I've only played single deck when a casino was running a deal where they payed 2-1 on naturals during certain time periods, which applied to the 6:5 games as well. (That was a ton of fun, I flat be 3x$100 and made a killing.)
Have you tried to sim this game? I would be curious of the EV of such a game.
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Old November 11th, 2010, 06:35 PM
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Have you tried to sim this game? I would be curious of the EV of such a game.
A little over 1% (not sim, just guess) zg

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Old November 13th, 2010, 11:31 PM
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6:5 single deck only turns profitable at TC +4. You'd need a huge spread. It would be like minimum bet for TC <4 and max bet for TC >4.
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Old November 14th, 2010, 12:52 AM
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6:5 single deck only turns profitable at TC +4. You'd need a huge spread. It would be like minimum bet for TC <4 and max bet for TC >4.
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Old November 14th, 2010, 07:12 PM
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6:5 single deck only turns profitable at TC +4. You'd need a huge spread. It would be like minimum bet for TC <4 and max bet for TC >4.
Wait, no. You would still want to spread your bets. Just play mins and then start ramping up above +4. The only reason to "max bet" is for cover purposes.

Also, it's single deck. Very volatile TC's, not like shoes where you're only hitting +5 1% of the time with a 1.5 deck cut.
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Old November 15th, 2010, 10:03 AM
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If you're trying to decide which system to use if you're going to try and beat a 6:5 SD game, if I'm correct the BC vs. PE balace tips even more to the latter with 6:5 (compared to 3:2 SD) since blackjacks have less of an effect but the importance of playing decisions are the same as in any single-deck game.
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Old November 15th, 2010, 03:34 PM
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If you are playing a 6:5 game during a promotion that pays you 2 to 1 for blackjack you are no longer playing a 6:5 game. Meaning you bet $10 and Win $20 instead of $12 it is good game during the promotion but once the promotion ends go back to the regular blackjack tables that pay 3:2 or $15 for a $10 bet. In fact it is smart to play the 6:5 tables during a promotional period paying 2:1 on blackjack because the other rules are quit good and you will have 1.5% advantage of the top there is no crazy spread necessary during this promotion.
 

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