Attacking 6:5 for fun (and profit?)

[zengrifter]

Originally Posted by moo321

Does anyone want to post some SCORE numbers, or are we trying to keep this a secret? If so, I'll shut up and we can kill the thread.

Something like a bad 8D. Monk? zg

[Jack_Black]

Originally Posted by moo321

Does anyone want to post some SCORE numbers, or are we trying to keep this a secret? If so, I'll shut up and we can kill the thread.

There's a thread on it. Too lazy to find it now, but it was started by anirishmannottoobright, maybe a year ago.

[creeping panther]

Originally Posted by jopke

I was thinking it would be kind of fun to try attacking a 6:5 game. I'd be playing a small unit and doing it more for the challenge than anything.

Any advice? I use TKO, which I know isn't ideal for single deck, but oh well...

Can a very aggressive spread beat it? Spreading from 1 to 2x40 would crush, right?

How much does the lower BJ payoff devalue aces? Sequencing is still worthwhile, right?

I play primarily shoe games and 2D where I can get good pen. I've only played single deck when a casino was running a deal where they payed 2-1 on naturals during certain time periods, which applied to the 6:5 games as well. (That was a ton of fun, I flat be 3x$100 and made a killing.)

I gave in to playing 6.5 sd last night due to a special opportunity,,,1.33 HA but I won some good money on it.

Would I do it again,,maybe ,,if the special opportunity continues but it will never replace a 3.2 game.

CP

[billionaireben]

I did this and won most of my sessions (about 90%) at 6:5, but the one session that lost was too big a loss ($570, betting $10 min up to $100). a TC of +2 is a 0.25% advantage, not much but its something. The rules I came up with were only play heads up, vary your bets widely past the +3 TC point and make unusual plays when it has a positive expectation. Splitting tens against a 6 is one, doubling any soft hand (except BJ, unlss +4 or higher)against a 6 in positive counts, Doubling low soft hands in -4 counts, doubling 12 when the count is neutral and a lot of 9's are left after at least 3 hands.

The good thing is there is less heat and better rules (other than 6:5, which is big) seek out LS and good penetration, but the big rule is play alone on low min tables. Also, a rule of thumb that would have saved me in the game I lost, if you are down 250, then only down 50 in a less than perfect situation (like crowded 6:5, or any 6:5) just leave, your playing wont suffer from a $50 loss, but half your trip BR can f**k up your playing for the whole day.

BTW, I did recover and after going to my last $100 (on DD 3:2) I won back all I had lost, but did not yield a profit for the trip. Hooters DD games were the majority of my losses and I still made a profit at MGM playing only 6:5 games.

[21forme]

Originally Posted by billionaireben

a TC of +2 is a 0.25% advantage,

There was some discussion about 6:5 on Green Chip a few months ago and Don S. said you don't have an advantage at 6:5 SD until TC +5, due to the reduced value of the ace.

[KingHenry]

i ran a quick 100 million sim using DAS S17, 50% pen and double any two, and it suggests ramping at TC +3 (not sure what the typical rules are though on 6:5 bj). on these rules the win rate is good, but the risk is really high putting the Score at 29.53 for a spread of 2x1 to 2x20. RoR for 200 unit bankroll is 16.8%.

if you post the exact rules i can prob get you a more accurate figure

[irobinson]

Originally Posted by KingHenry

i ran a quick 100 million sim using DAS S17, 50% pen and double any two, and it suggests ramping at TC +3 (not sure what the typical rules are though on 6:5 bj). on these rules the win rate is good, but the risk is really high putting the Score at 29.53 for a spread of 2x1 to 2x20. RoR for 200 unit bankroll is 16.8%.

if you post the exact rules i can prob get you a more accurate figure

I have a local game that is 6:5 SD. Rules are H17, LS, RSA, DA2, DAS. Too bad they didn't make it S17.

[revelation0928]

Originally Posted by billionaireben

Hooters DD games were the majority of my losses and I still made a profit at MGM playing only 6:5 games.

I ever been to Hooters several months ago,they have bad SD rule and bad dealers and croweded.
Hotters is one of the worst casinos I ever met.

[blackjacktilt]

Originally Posted by White Guy

I have some advice:

Don't Do It.

Let me explain this further.
STAY AWAY FROM 6:5, THE MORE WHO PLAY IT, THE MORE IT STAYS AND RUINS THIS BEAUTIFUL GAME
Ok beautiful might not be the right word... But you get my point.

[Gamblor]

Originally Posted by blackjacktilt

Let me explain this further.
STAY AWAY FROM 6:5, THE MORE WHO PLAY IT, THE MORE IT STAYS AND RUINS THIS BEAUTIFUL GAME
Ok beautiful might not be the right word... But you get my point.

Beautiful game???? I just posted about losing my 22 v 6 three splits and three double bets that I lost at a moderate bet