El EsCortez

[bj bob]

Thinking about shooting out to Vegas this summer.From what I gather from the various posts The El Cortez has a great 1D game, but the heat is rediculous.Still true? and is it worth the effort to go there just to get escortezed out the door?

[Sonny]

Originally Posted by bj bob

From what I gather from the various posts The El Cortez has a great 1D game...

The game itself is decent. If you can find a good dealer it can be great. A lot of it will depend on how good you can make the game. Great games aren't always found, they're often made.

Originally Posted by bj bob

...but the heat is rediculous.Still true?

It is a small club so it is easy to stand out. If you keep your sessions short and take liberal bathroom breaks you can get away with a lot. Or, if you're like ZG, you can make them love you and leave you alone. I'm not quite that good yet so I have to pace myself. I play there every time I visit Vegas and have never been backed off yet.

Originally Posted by bj bob

and is it worth the effort to go there just to get escortezed out the door?

HA! EsCorted! I love it. If you're in the downtown area you should definitely check them out. It probably isn't worth a trip all the way from the Stip just to play there, but they aren't that far from the action downtown.

-Sonny-

[bj bob]

I'll take your advice.BTW, when you say keep the sessions short,do you mean 20mins. or 1 hr? Also,since it's a small club,how many 1D tables are there..Any wait on weekdays and it as sleasy as Fremont St?

[zengrifter]

Originally Posted by bj bob

Thinking about shooting out to Vegas this summer.From what I gather from the various posts The El Cortez has a great 1D game, but the heat is rediculous.Still true? and is it worth the effort to go there just to get escortezed out the door?

I see no problem playing $5 or 10 units at EC, but the truth is that the 2D game there may be better than the 1D.

EC was the first and only place that I've been litteraly "thrown" out of. The year was 1980 and as I passed thru I saw a paraplegic in wheel chair with a $100 minimum game. I joined and played a total of 3-4 hands when the pC pushed my bet back and leaned in saying"We don't deal to card-counters here, go haunt another casino." I looked up, pulling my sunglasses down and replied, "You wouldn't know a card-counter if he was counting out loud."

Instantly I had two guards grasp my upper arms and walked me to the cage to cash my chips then they walked me to the door. At the door they lifted me by my arms several inches off the ground, relatively gently, and gave me a heave ho - I landed on my feet on the sidewalk. Huuh I tell ya, I get no respect at all! zg

[zengrifter]

Originally Posted by bj bob

I'll take your advice.BTW, when you say keep the sessions short,do you mean 20mins. or 1 hr? Also,since it's a small club,how many 1D tables are there..Any wait on weekdays and it as sleasy as Fremont St?

Swing has the worst pene - stay away from the bald shift manager. Days and grave are the best pene AND easiest to play. zg

[bj bob]

Your vivid account leads me to several questions.1)How do you know what's going on there now if you have been thrown out 25 yrs. ago?(Did you sneak back in with your cutting edge stealth ZgZuit? or get the info from your elaborate spy network? 2)What were you doing to get the boot after only 3 hands?Were you already Griffined? Real curious... BJ

[zengrifter]

Originally Posted by bj bob

Your vivid account leads me to several questions.1)How do you know what's going on there now if you have been thrown out 25 yrs. ago?(Did you sneak back in with your cutting edge stealth ZgZuit? or get the info from your elaborate spy network? 2)What were you doing to get the boot after only 3 hands?Were you already Griffined? Real curious... BJ

I never knew how they made me in 4 hands. Since then I've been backed off from EC MANY times - at least 6x in 5 years - and in between backoffs I have booked MANY multi-hour sessions without heat. zg

[bj bob]

Your being booted and then able to return at some future time brings me to this question. How long, in your experence, do you wait to attempt to re-enter a club after being barred,esp. if you've been read the trespassing routine and, are there any clubs from which you have never been able to return after the first "gentle translevitation"?

[zengrifter]

Originally Posted by bj bob

Your being booted and then able to return at some future time brings me to this question. How long, in your experence, do you wait to attempt to re-enter a club after being barred,esp. if you've been read the trespassing routine and, are there any clubs from which you have never been able to return after the first "gentle translevitation"?

I will generally wait a minimum of 90 days, sometimes only 60 days. Because I frequently leave town for extended periods it typically is longer. BUT no experienced counter gives a f**k about being barred, or trespassed. And for small stakes it is a non-issue.

NO, not a single casino worth playing have I ever been unable to return. zg

[Mikeaber]

I agree with ZG....often, the DD tables are better than the SD. When I was there in May, the two SD tables were in the "northern" pit of tables, side by side and they were "low" tables (handicap accessible). The DD tables were in the Southern Pit. The DD were high tables. All were $5 minimum and they were constantly breaking in new dealers, especially on the DD tables. That's both good and bad. Good because they frequently make mistakes. Bad in that they usually have a Pit Critter hovering over their shoulder. Pen was good in both pits. But I scored much better at the DD tables and with a spread of 1:5 with $5 units, I drew no heat at all and played sometimes for 2 or 3 hours. I did change tables during those longer sessions. I think that the Tez's objective is to become the DD place to play. They started getting serious about DD about the same time Plaza began ruining their DD game.