System Scammer of the Week?

[zengrifter]

We appear to have a betting system promoter in our midst. The thread is found here - http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?t=1847

Apparently this 'CIPHER' software guy is ready to stake his money on his system to all comers. zg

Read - http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?t=1847

[zengrifter]

I changed that word to promoter - and I think CIPHER would prefer the word "developer" after reviewing his site. He's a former student of Jerry Patterson. zg

[Sonny]

So basically this guy is saying that he can crack the RNG of any casino software? On top of that, he claims that the casino's software will "develop scientific patterns" that can be tracked using the "near art-form" of "Trend Analysis"?

Yup, he's a Patterson offshoot alright!

I thought that we had cleared up the whole "trend/streak/pattern/" debate already:

http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/show...?t=1895&page=7

See page 7 for the highlights:

"In fact, the truth is that there are no trends at all! Our human minds are always trying to make sense out of randomness...When the results stop conforming to this imaginary system we have developed, we say “Oh, the streak must be over now” but in reality it was never there to begin with. It was all just a figment of our imagination."

-Sonny-

[CIPHER]

Originally Posted by Sonny

So basically this guy is saying that he can crack the RNG of any casino software? On top of that, he claims that the casino's software will "develop scientific patterns" that can be tracked using the "near art-form" of "Trend Analysis"?

Yup, he's a Patterson offshoot alright!

I thought that we had cleared up the whole "trend/streak/pattern/" debate already:

http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/show...?t=1895&page=7

See page 7 for the highlights:

"In fact, the truth is that there are no trends at all! Our human minds are always trying to make sense out of randomness...When the results stop conforming to this imaginary system we have developed, we say “Oh, the streak must be over now” but in reality it was never there to begin with. It was all just a figment of our imagination."

-Sonny-

Well Sonny:

This must be your Lucky Day. It looks like you just might be the type of candidate (partner) ScottH might be looking for to help him take some of my money. If you're feeling froggie and you've got change for a quarter your welcome to join in the fun. Let me know when your money is on account at Intercasino.

Have a good one.

Cipher

[ScottH]

Originally Posted by CIPHER

Well Sonny:

This must be your Lucky Day. It looks like you just might be the type of candidate (partner) ScottH might be looking for to help him take some of my money. If you're feeling froggie and you've got change for a quarter your welcome to join in the fun. Let me know when your money is on account at Intercasino.

Have a good one.

Cipher

I have a feeling that you set the bet at 5000 knowing that most players can't or arent willing to accept.

We'll see if there is enough interest to start a "team" to raise the money needed for the bet, but I doubt it.

[ScottH]

The fact that noone will accept your challenge does't show that they believe your system might have some merit. It just shows that you have enough money where you can easily gamble with that 5000, and I dont think most people can.

[zengrifter]

Well what about it, Sonny? Feeling a little froggie today?

CIPHER, how many hands do you feel is necessary to make this sort of statistical 'proof'? zg

[Sonny]

Originally Posted by ScottH

The fact that noone will accept your challenge does't show that they believe your system might have some merit. It just shows that you have enough money where you can easily gamble with that 5000, and I dont think most people can.

Good point. I'm sure that Cipher would be willing to share some of his mathematical proof with us for free. After all, I'm sure he's done all the necessary calculations and simulations to support his "scientific patterns" and "trend analysis" theories. Since he is the one who proposed the system the burden of proof is on him.

After all, no intellegent player would risk $5,000 on the random results of a short-term experiment. We want to see proof that his software and theories work in the long run. That should be easy enough to prove in writing, especially from the guy who designed the system.

Hey Cipher, can you give us a brief synopsis of how your system correlates to the supposed "trends" and how you can anticipate these trends?

-Sonny-

[zengrifter]

Originally Posted by Sonny

Hey Cipher, can you give us a brief synopsis of how your system correlates to the supposed "trends" and how you can anticipate these trends?

And does it have any correlation to dirty ashtrays?

Seriously, CIPHER, how many hands do you think it takes to make a statistical proof? zg

[E-town-guy]

I thought your program cost like $800, maybe that was for the equipment used for the roulette wheel tracking.

So basically your program analyzes trends and when the trend is right you up your bet?

If the program is free it would be worth trying out but still flat betting. At the end you could keep a record of how much you would have won when the trend said to bet big and compare it to when the trend said to bet small.

Does your program work with all online casinos?

Am I right that this is your idea: if the online casinos were completely random then your program would not work but they are not completely random so you believe there is a method to exploit that?