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Old January 18th, 2011, 03:15 PM
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Somewhere in the Midwest, a young advantage player plays an HC game less than optimally, and a casino keeps slightly more money than it should. This midwesterner has scoured the internet and attempted to purchase an expensive, thick book in hopes of obtaining the information he seeks, yet he fails to find the answers. The information cannot be found online, and the book does not seem to be for sale. He tries to ask for help on the best internet forum he knows, and the post is quickly deleted. He must be on to something! This method must be very profitable if everyone is so protective of it. As a last option, the AP does his best to come up with his own answers, which are probably marginally correct at best, but will be posted soon and probably taken down shortly after.

Now I am sick of talking in the 3rd person, and would like to ask a question. Why are we censoring this information? Holecarding is mentioned here along with many other techniques. It is safe to say that any casino staff lurking the forums are aware of holecarding. Holecarding strategy for 3CP can be found on this site, and even on wizard of odds. Do you really think that Casino staff doesn't know that this other game can't be holecarded? I would say that is possible if they don't know about HCing at all, but if they are aware of it they must be aware that the HC information in this game can help the player.

So my arguement is this: The word is out. The dammage is done. HC games are rare. But we might as well at least know how to play them correctly if we find one. So can we talk about this?
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Old January 18th, 2011, 03:35 PM
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The policy here is to remove information on techniques which are not considered publicly available, or published somewhere else. The book you mention is an interesting exception. While it does include details on many of these types of opportunities, the book itself is now difficult to obtain, as you have learned. The author made that decision and I consider much of the detail he described as "not publicly available" as a result.

Is this fair to people that aren't connected enough to get the information through private channels? No, I admit it is not. But I prefer to err on the side of caution when it comes to preserving opportunities that are likely providing an income for many serious players.

You have a few options:
1) Establish a trust relationship with players already exploiting the games you are interested in. Sharing of information in that context is much more common. P.S. This won't be an easy effort.

2) Learn to program sufficiently well to do your own research. Running your own numbers means you'll be prepared for anything you discover in the future.

3) Hope that the book author reconsiders his decision to not provide the book to you or others.

I sympathize with your situation, but I do not want this website to be the reason that some opportunities disappear sooner than they should. Some censorship is in the best interest of the community.

Actually, on that note, one of my projects for the new year was to write up something of a mission statement for the site. It would perhaps yield some insight into the decision process here. Hopefully I'll make some time for that soon.
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Old January 18th, 2011, 03:37 PM
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This should be stickied in Site forum. zg
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Old January 18th, 2011, 03:55 PM
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The policy here is to remove information on techniques which are not considered publicly available, or published somewhere else. The book you mention is an interesting exception. While it does include details on many of these types of opportunities, the book itself is now difficult to obtain, as you have learned. The author made that decision and I consider much of the detail he described as "not publicly available" as a result.

Is this fair to people that aren't connected enough to get the information through private channels? No, I admit it is not. But I prefer to err on the side of caution when it comes to preserving opportunities that are likely providing an income for many serious players.

You have a few options:
1) Establish a trust relationship with players already exploiting the games you are interested in. Sharing of information in that context is much more common. P.S. This won't be an easy effort.

2) Learn to program sufficiently well to do your own research. Running your own numbers means you'll be prepared for anything you discover in the future.

3) Hope that the book author reconsiders his decision to not provide the book to you or others.

I sympathize with your situation, but I do not want this website to be the reason that some opportunities disappear sooner than they should. Some censorship is in the best interest of the community.

Actually, on that note, one of my projects for the new year was to write up something of a mission statement for the site. It would perhaps yield some insight into the decision process here. Hopefully I'll make some time for that soon.
Fair enough. Thanks for the fast answer.
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Old January 18th, 2011, 04:04 PM
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Somewhere in the Midwest, a young advantage player plays an HC game less than optimally, and a casino keeps slightly more money than it should. This midwesterner has scoured the internet and attempted to purchase an expensive, thick book in hopes of obtaining the information he seeks, yet he fails to find the answers. The information cannot be found online, and the book does not seem to be for sale. He tries to ask for help on the best internet forum he knows, and the post is quickly deleted. He must be on to something! This method must be very profitable if everyone is so protective of it. As a last option, the AP does his best to come up with his own answers, which are probably marginally correct at best, but will be posted soon and probably taken down shortly after.

Now I am sick of talking in the 3rd person, and would like to ask a question. Why are we censoring this information? Holecarding is mentioned here along with many other techniques. It is safe to say that any casino staff lurking the forums are aware of holecarding. Holecarding strategy for 3CP can be found on this site, and even on wizard of odds. Do you really think that Casino staff doesn't know that this other game can't be holecarded? I would say that is possible if they don't know about HCing at all, but if they are aware of it they must be aware that the HC information in this game can help the player.

So my arguement is this: The word is out. The dammage is done. HC games are rare. But we might as well at least know how to play them correctly if we find one. So can we talk about this?
APEX.......you will understand your own questions much clearer when your questions get answered in time. I have no doubt with persiverence you will get them answered. Friends are the key...and time...... This stuff isnt just given away willy nilly... Nobody knows you and you dont know anybody on this site.
The Chat sessions are a great way to make friends...It takes time though to build trust.
Keep surfing Ebay....every once in a while the artcle in question pops up...
As far as the stores knowing or not knowing about this subject.......hit the road and make your own assumptions...
Hcing is not the be all............in fact alot of people say it's DEAD i tell ya DEAD!!!!!!!!! APEX thats an inside joke with a few on this site
On a side note i didnt realize the article was off the market.....
And thanks Ken for addressing this issue..
NOW please remove this issue !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old January 18th, 2011, 05:30 PM
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Wait, so..HCing is apparently possible? A source to learn proper technique is out there? And it is highly profitable (for obvious reasons)? Hmmm....googleing as we speak...
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Old January 18th, 2011, 05:34 PM
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Default not sure why we need to make this thread sticky?

ideally should have been deleted !!!
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Old January 18th, 2011, 06:04 PM
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Wait, so..HCing is apparently possible? A source to learn proper technique is out there? And it is highly profitable (for obvious reasons)? Hmmm....googleing as we speak...
Not referring to BJ referring to a new poker carnival game. zg
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Old January 23rd, 2011, 04:55 PM
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I think the censoring of information is 100% necessary. Yes, it is frustrating that you cant find the answer to your problems/questions by typing it in Google. At the same time, how great will it be when you find out the answer for yourself and nobody else knows about it? We have to respect the individuals that put in the time to figure out new ways of beating games. It is only fair.
 

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