Testing positive for EV

[bj bob]

Hey guys, Could you help me out with this one? Going to Reno in a few weeks and want to set up a SIMPLE team strategy with my son. Here's the setup: Want to stick with 1D,2D Reno rules,i.e. H17,D10,NDAS,70% pen,No sur. We have a simple +- signal set up. I,m playing my usual way1-4 spread 2x3U. He's going 1U until he gets +signal(playing BS BTW) then up to 2. I don't want to make him nervious w/heat etc.He will also "copy cat" my insurance bets. Just want to know if,put together, we can expect a pos. EV for 5 day visit. Any thoughts?

[zengrifter]

Originally Posted by bj bob

Hey guys, Could you help me out with this one? Going to Reno in a few weeks and want to set up a SIMPLE team strategy with my son. Here's the setup: Want to stick with 1D,2D Reno rules,i.e. H17,D10,NDAS,70% pen,No sur. We have a simple +- signal set up. I,m playing my usual way1-4 spread 2x3U. He's going 1U until he gets +signal(playing BS BTW) then up to 2. I don't want to make him nervious w/heat etc.He will also "copy cat" my insurance bets. Just want to know if,put together, we can expect a pos. EV for 5 day visit. Any thoughts?

First of all Reno is for 1D play only - 1D games are good there and 2D games are BAD there. If you are playing same table AND same BR your EV will be reduced for two reasons: 1) Adding an extra player to the game reduces your #hands and overall pene; and 2) You are going from a spread of 1-4 down to a spread of 2x1 to 2x3 (average between his topBet and yours).

If the kid's BR is totally seperate, then he's still degrading your pene.

Oneway that WOULD increase your EV is if ONLY ONE of you sits down and the other stands behind - father & son - and you kibitz between hands and through a signal, the one standing throws his 4u on top of the other's 2u bet at the appropriate moment - thus achieving a 1-6 spread.

BTW, this is not an appropriate post for "Advanced Strategies" forum! zg

[bj bob]

My original setup would result in a neg.EV? Just wondering about how much.Last time I was there (last fall) I found goood 2D games at the Legacy. Took them for about 1K 4 days. Anyway, Just wanted to break Jr. in without all the "extra" worries...learning curve to start. This 2-man team was designed to hit an empty or 1 player table anyway.And BTW ,on what forum should team play be adressed ?

[zengrifter]

Originally Posted by bj bob

My original setup would result in a neg.EV? Just wondering about how much.Last time I was there (last fall) I found goood 2D games at the Legacy. Took them for about 1K 4 days. Anyway, Just wanted to break Jr. in without all the "extra" worries...learning curve to start. This 2-man team was designed to hit an empty or 1 player table anyway.And BTW ,on what forum should team play be adressed ?

The legacy has good pene with mediocre rules... AND its the best 2D in North Nevada. No, would not result in negEV, but with reduced EV. Re-read my post and consider that you guys take turns who sits and who stands. zg

[zengrifter]

Originally Posted by bj bob

Just wanted to break Jr. in without all the "extra" worries...learning curve to start.

"Learning to count"?? I'll bet he couldn't even pass a BS test! zg

[zengrifter]

Originally Posted by bj bob

And BTW ,on what forum should team play be adressed ?

"Team play"? This isn't "team play", this is a father-son camping trip! "Stalking the wild BJ!" zg

[Brutus]

Sounds like Marlin Perkins sending Jim in to net the wild blackjack.

[TENNBEAR]

Originally Posted by bj bob

Hey guys, Could you help me out with this one? Going to Reno in a few weeks and want to set up a SIMPLE team strategy with my son. Here's the setup: Want to stick with 1D,2D Reno rules,i.e. H17,D10,NDAS,70% pen,No sur. We have a simple +- signal set up. I,m playing my usual way1-4 spread 2x3U. He's going 1U until he gets +signal(playing BS BTW) then up to 2. I don't want to make him nervious w/heat etc.He will also "copy cat" my insurance bets. Just want to know if,put together, we can expect a pos. EV for 5 day visit. Any thoughts?

You can set your son up as a ploppy paying attention to everthing in the casino but the cards being played, so no one would suspect him as a counter. You count the cards and flat bet minimum, and signal to him what to bet allowing a large enough bet spread to cover your action. This works well but you will need to work several casino's to pull it off, you can wear out your welcome at one casino with to much play. I have done this with a friends wife whome is a big breasted blonde 20 years my junior, while she plays the dumb blonde act, we work a 10 to 1 spread and never recieved any heat.

[zengrifter]

Originally Posted by TENNBEAR

You can set your son up as a ploppy paying attention to everthing in the casino but the cards being played, so no one would suspect him as a counter. You count the cards and flat bet minimum, and signal to him what to bet allowing a large enough bet spread to cover your action. This works well but you will need to work several casino's to pull it off, you can wear out your welcome at one casino with to much play. I have done this with a friends wife whome is a big breasted blonde 20 years my junior, while she plays the dumb blonde act, we work a 10 to 1 spread and never recieved any heat.

Yes, thats viable - called 'gorillaBP' - your son will need to be smooth, not miss all the signals invilving bets/plays, use a 1-7+ spread, drink, and act like an idiot or an a**hole. A little more involved. zg

[bj bob]

Don't scare the poor kid off yet! This will be the first time using BS in a real situation. We won't know the true outcome until the clay hits the felt. I do appreciate your answer that this would be a Pos. EV experience. I'm looking at this right now as how much will a BS player benefit from an AP rather than how much a BS player hurts my EV. As far as not "camping out" at one club, well taken. If it gets too frustating for the both of us I'll just send him off with TENN's busty blonde and hit the green 1D by myself. Like I said, it's a learning curve..one step at a time.