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Old March 1st, 2011, 10:40 AM
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Like most of us, I disdain toking; however a dealer's job is NOT easy.

I imagine that the archetypal dealer feels this way:

"I stand on my aching feet and have drunks blow smoke in my face as they blame me for the
losses that they cannot afford. I have to cope with the shame and guilt, (for being a minion
of a parasitic "gaming industry"), that percolates apace invading my dreams.

Oh yeah, let us not forget that I have to listen to cacophonous clanging slot machines
as I often stand behind an empty table, develop Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, work odd hours,
(without benefits or job security), get abused by my imbecilic money-sweating
supervisors, and earning no respect whatsoever from my family and friends just pity.

It is fine indeed that a handful of my brother/sister dealers work at the upscale stores
like The Wynn or Bellagio, making upwards of $40 / hr. but, like most of us,
I am stuck here on this f*ck*n' reservation, a slow train to nowhere, where I am
making $15 an hour and haven't even a medical plan, no less a pension or profit-sharing !
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Old March 1st, 2011, 10:49 AM
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My counter to the above post is simple, It's better than cashiering at least.

Being a cashier gets you a whopping minimum wage with no benefits! Not only do you also have to stand and scan random items for seven hours, you also get to twist and bag the items according the customer's whims. Keep in mind, if you don't go fast enough often enough, your supervisor will be informed by the machine you are manning! Big stores don't let the customers tip anymore, why discourage business for a lowly cashier?



Yeah, I was a cashier for two weeks once, could you tell? Being a dealer (even the above description) sounds so much better than that. I see no reason to resent them for paying the bills, but 15 bucks an hour plus tips seems like a good wage for a job that you don't even need high school for.
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Old March 1st, 2011, 11:01 AM
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Brian,

That $15 includes minimum wage, and there are "sawdust joints" and truck-stops where an aggregate $10/hr. is the norm.

Currently, in Atlantic City, as an example, depending on what casino a dealer works in, s/he will earn anywhere
from roughly $16 to $23 an hour (sharply down from what it was in the 90's), and the cost-of-living in N.J. is quite high.

Monetary remuneration is just one factor that is involved re: job satisfaction. I became a full-time A.P. resigning from a job
that payed just under 100K in salary / benefits in today's dollars; but I despised even the 30 hr. work week that I was tied to.

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Old March 1st, 2011, 03:27 PM
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This appears to be treading very close to collusion. Better watch that.
Dealers giving deep penetration is not, in fact, cheating. It may violate house procedure. But it would be purely the dealer's ass in that case. Sure, you might not be welcome to play BJ anymore either, but it is extremely paranoid to make the jump to "collusion" when there is no actual cheating going on. If the dealer was willfully flashing the hole card, that may be a different story...
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Old March 1st, 2011, 06:17 PM
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Dealers giving deep penetration is not, in fact, cheating. It may violate house procedure. But it would be purely the dealer's ass in that case. Sure, you might not be welcome to play BJ anymore either, but it is extremely paranoid to make the jump to "collusion" when there is no actual cheating going on. If the dealer was willfully flashing the hole card, that may be a different story...
He didn't specify deep penetration. He said "once the dealer has shown he/she is willing to help through various means". How many "various means" can you think of that do not include collusion?
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Like most of us, I disdain toking; however a dealer's job is NOT easy.

I imagine that the archetypal dealer feels this way:

"I stand on my aching feet and have drunks blow smoke in my face as they blame me for the
losses that they cannot afford. I have to cope with the shame and guilt, (for being a minion
of a parasitic "gaming industry"), that percolates apace invading my dreams.

Oh yeah, let us not forget that I have to listen to cacophonous clanging slot machines
as I often stand behind an empty table, develop Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, work odd hours,
(without benefits or job security), get abused by my imbecilic money-sweating
supervisors, and earning no respect whatsoever from my family and friends — just pity.

It is fine indeed that a handful of my brother/sister dealers work at the upscale stores
like The Wynn or Bellagio, making upwards of $40 / hr. — but, like most of us,
I am stuck here on this f*ck*n' reservation, a slow train to nowhere, where I am
making $15 an hour and haven't even a medical plan, no less a pension or profit-sharing !
At TC in Traverse, in the summer, when the movie stars and mega rich come back to their own little piece of Heaven, it is not at all unusual for the HL BJ room dealers to average $1000 an hour in tips, not bad for a Rez. casino.

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Old March 1st, 2011, 07:18 PM
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At TC in Traverse, in the summer, when the movie stars and mega rich come back to their own little piece of Heaven, it is not at all unusual for the HL BJ room dealers to average $1000 an hour in tips, not bad for a Rez. casino.

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I can't imagine what the dealers for High Stakes Poker make per hour, I regularly see the players just toss them a chip when they win a pot. Keep in mind, the lowest buy in was 100k at the start of the show, so one chip is a lot of ye-oh!
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Old March 1st, 2011, 07:52 PM
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At TC in Traverse, in the summer, when the movie stars and mega rich come back to their own little piece of Heaven, it is not at all unusual for the HL BJ room dealers to average $1000 an hour in tips, not bad for a Rez. casino.

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Sounds like I am on the wrong side of the table ... and at least dealers don't have to deal with bullshit variance, although they may make less at sometimes if they are dealing a table full of stiffs.

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Old March 2nd, 2011, 06:16 AM
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He didn't specify deep penetration. He said "once the dealer has shown he/she is willing to help through various means". How many "various means" can you think of that do not include collusion?
Mmhmm, many times it is simply deep penetration. Other times, just plain dealer sloppiness that can be taken advantage of.

Plenty of dealers that for whatever reason, be it they do not care or they have never been corrected, make what appear to be innocent mistakes. A lot that I have played with have that look on their face of "FML, I want to go home."
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Old March 2nd, 2011, 07:28 AM
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Mmhmm, many times it is simply deep penetration. Other times, just plain dealer sloppiness that can be taken advantage of.

Plenty of dealers that for whatever reason, be it they do not care or they have never been corrected, make what appear to be innocent mistakes. A lot that I have played with have that look on their face of "FML, I want to go home."
Sloppiness and careless mistakes are, of course, situations that can be taken advantage of. Your original post implied that these mistakes were a response to tokes, and that is something else. Be careful with that.
 

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