Backed off at Gold Coast after winning big

[FLASH1296]

Thanx 21forme, #4 is very precise. Read it carefully.

NOTE: Racetracks throughout the USA offer high-payoff "exotic" wagers
for as low as 10 cents — strictly to do an "end-run" around the I.R.S. reg's

If you bet the standard $2 on a "Superfecta" ticket combining four horses
you owe the I.R.S. if the winning ticket's worth > $600

Instead you get a ticket that says you have purchased MANY duplicate tickets
at a cost of TEN CENTS each; even if the sum of that transaction is $1,000+.

That way the winning payoff on a $2 ticket needs to be 20 x $600 or $12,000
for you to be asked for your Social Security number.

The I.R.S. does not consider this "structuring" for the purpose of evading taxes.

A mutuels clerk spying a winning ticket in the hands of a race track
habitue who is reluctant to provide I.D., will fetch you a "Ten Percenter",
who is a person ready to buy the ticket from you, kicking back a bit to
the mutuels clerk netting you 90% of the face value.

[alwayssplitaces]

I bet $10 on the Lucky Ladies because the max payout was $10000 for 2 Queens of Hearts and dealer blackjack.

I wonder if they tracked my play throughout all Boyd properties even though I was playing unrated. I won $500 in a night at California 2 days prior and left when I got some heat. I kept hitting Fremont for short sessions and leaving up $100-$200. And I was allowed to play all night at the Spaniard, which is supposed to be the sweatiest place.

[Automatic Monkey]

Originally Posted by alwayssplitaces

I bet $10 on the Lucky Ladies because the max payout was $10000 for 2 Queens of Hearts and dealer blackjack...

I follow your logic, but numerically, the chances of getting that jackpot are so low it doesn't pay to drop your bet. The bulk of your return is going to come from the lower payouts, up to 25:1. Once you hit the strike point on LL your advantage is going up very rapidly.

[moo321]

Originally Posted by alwayssplitaces

I bet $10 on the Lucky Ladies because the max payout was $10000 for 2 Queens of Hearts and dealer blackjack.

I wonder if they tracked my play throughout all Boyd properties even though I was playing unrated. I won $500 in a night at California 2 days prior and left when I got some heat. I kept hitting Fremont for short sessions and leaving up $100-$200. And I was allowed to play all night at the Spaniard, which is supposed to be the sweatiest place.

It appears that the proximate cause of your backoff was the lucky ladies.

Also, this means that the Gold Coast uses lucky ladies to watch for counters.

And, this means the Gold Coast has at least half-sharp gaming protection on this shift.


Do you mind saying what shift it was and who backed you off? Was there a floor watching you a lot before the backoff came, and may have called upstairs?

[Thunder]

Well what's to stop acasino from requesting your id under the false pretense that you look like you could be under 21?

[aslan]

Originally Posted by Thunder

Well what's to stop acasino from requesting your id under the false pretense that you look like you could be under 21?

If they did that, ................ if it was a female pit critter, I'd MARRY her! Whoops! I'm already married, but you know what I mean.

[aslan]

Originally Posted by Thunder

Well what's to stop acasino from requesting your id under the false pretense that you look like you could be under 21?

That's a legitimate question. If you're young enough to pass for under 21, you're SOL. But in this case, the casino used the wrong pretext, so my instinct is to nail them. Who knows? Refusal to produce ID in the present scenario might lead to involuntary back-rooming (we can hope anyway) and an accessible entry in the Griffin (or a Griffin-like) book. Shades of CAA. Nothing like a sue-able event. Great EV.

[Machinist]

Originally Posted by aslan

That's a legitimate question. If you're young enough to pass for under 21, you're SOL. But in this case, the casino used the wrong pretext, so my instinct is to nail them. Who knows? Refusal to produce ID in the present scenario might lead to involuntary back-rooming (we can hope anyway) and an accessible entry in the Griffin (or a Griffin-like) book. Shades of CAA. Nothing like a sue-able event. Great EV.

Yep....it's gotta suck to be young in a casino......don't worry one day in the very near future you will wake up and b 50 plus..... until then do what ya can..
Machinist

[moo321]

Originally Posted by Thunder

Well what's to stop acasino from requesting your id under the false pretense that you look like you could be under 21?

You can refuse and they ask you to leave. I'm not aware of casinos having any right to detain you on suspicion of being under 21. And if they do have that right, it's not like police powers where they're protected.

A police officer is protected if he had a reason to think you may have committed a crime. A civilian is only protected if you actually committed a crime.

[FLASH1296]

Casino security is permitted to detain anyone when there is reason to suspect that a crime has been committed. States differ on whether or not gambling while underage is a crime or not.

Naturally, Native American casinos are free to do whatever they wish; and are only restrained by their concerns re: bad publicity.