In a bit of interesting news that makes the game at TS slightly more playable. I was there and saw that they pulled out the hole card mirrors, so now all the dealers pull up the corners to peek at the hole card. This is leading to some fairly warped cards. Something to keep in mind when picking a seat at the tables. Not nearly enough to make the game really playable but if you're up for a challenge this'll give you a little bit of an added edge.
Turning Stone removed hole card mirrors
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I'm curious. The peeking mirrors: Are they available to purchase? I've looked and haven't been able to find them for sale. The reason I ask is that one Pit Boss once told me that they didn't use them because they couldn't buy them outright...they had to pay a monthly fee to use them on their tables.
They check under 10s, and when I was at the tournament there yesterday there was a considerable amount of warping on the cards, it was mainly in the middle but if you got an inexperienced dealer there you could probably catch a decent amount of cards, the sheer bend in them surprised me very much.
As far as TS being very beatable, it's 8 decks, and pretty standard rules, DAS, stand on S17, nothing fancy, so if it's beatable then I'm missing out on something.
Okay,Answering two posts in this.
Mike A.-According to the thread in the Hit and Stand forum,these mirrors are leased for $5 a day per table.
Scorcho-Read Bojack1s posts about TS( on the Hit or Stand forums). According to him,the game is quite winnable.He takes advantage of the warped cards and also uses a cut card technique.
I'm just repeating what I've read there,but he comes off as pretty believable,unlike many.
Mike A.-According to the thread in the Hit and Stand forum,these mirrors are leased for $5 a day per table.
Scorcho-Read Bojack1s posts about TS( on the Hit or Stand forums). According to him,the game is quite winnable.He takes advantage of the warped cards and also uses a cut card technique.
I'm just repeating what I've read there,but he comes off as pretty believable,unlike many.
It's more about physically seeing what the cards are by the warped corners, from what I understand.
Shad - It's quite possible he's right, This was the first time I've been there since they've pulled the mirrors and if someone's found a way to beat TS then that's great news for me. I'll check it out.
Shad - It's quite possible he's right, This was the first time I've been there since they've pulled the mirrors and if someone's found a way to beat TS then that's great news for me. I'll check it out.
New dealers are your friend.
The idea is to look for a new or sloppy dealer who isn't as good at handling the cards, maybe they'll bend them up further. There's also the ace for 4 mistake, where a dealer will give a player a "tell" by checking a card twice or doing a little double take, if they do that there's usually a good chance that the down card is a 4, as it looks similar to an ace, and at times the dealer will flip the 4 thinking it's an ace and then you have a big advantage because now you know what the dealer has.
I checked out Bo's post at H or S, it's a good post, and if you're extremely good at shuffle tracking and cutting to the back then maybe it's worth it. I don't have the bankroll to currently test the theory myself but maybe I'll start tracking just to have the knowledge under my belt.
Another upside to TS is that the play tends to go slow. I was practicing backcounting while waiting for the tourney I was in to start and found I was able to keep up solidly, and that's with being out of practice for eight months. So maybe I'm too harsh on the game based on the rules alone, it's something I'll definitly be keeping my eye on.
The idea is to look for a new or sloppy dealer who isn't as good at handling the cards, maybe they'll bend them up further. There's also the ace for 4 mistake, where a dealer will give a player a "tell" by checking a card twice or doing a little double take, if they do that there's usually a good chance that the down card is a 4, as it looks similar to an ace, and at times the dealer will flip the 4 thinking it's an ace and then you have a big advantage because now you know what the dealer has.
I checked out Bo's post at H or S, it's a good post, and if you're extremely good at shuffle tracking and cutting to the back then maybe it's worth it. I don't have the bankroll to currently test the theory myself but maybe I'll start tracking just to have the knowledge under my belt.
Another upside to TS is that the play tends to go slow. I was practicing backcounting while waiting for the tourney I was in to start and found I was able to keep up solidly, and that's with being out of practice for eight months. So maybe I'm too harsh on the game based on the rules alone, it's something I'll definitly be keeping my eye on.
Turning Stone
When you go to turning stone you can look around and watch the different dealers. Some dealers defiantly do bring their down card up high when its a 9 or less and when its a 10 or face they just have to bring it up a very little bit because the K or Q is printed towards the top of their cards. Not all the dealers do this, in fact ive only seen 2 or 3 that you can tell every time whether the card is a face or not.
And by the way Turning Stone will not be like this for long. A pit boss i talked to said they are getting some automatic card readers to detect blackjack or not. I guess it scans the cards and gives a red light for a blackjack and green light if theres no blackjack.
When you go to turning stone you can look around and watch the different dealers. Some dealers defiantly do bring their down card up high when its a 9 or less and when its a 10 or face they just have to bring it up a very little bit because the K or Q is printed towards the top of their cards. Not all the dealers do this, in fact ive only seen 2 or 3 that you can tell every time whether the card is a face or not.
And by the way Turning Stone will not be like this for long. A pit boss i talked to said they are getting some automatic card readers to detect blackjack or not. I guess it scans the cards and gives a red light for a blackjack and green light if theres no blackjack.
Turning Stone Is Beatable
Just came back from another weekend up at the Turning Stone, and I must say they have extremely beatable games if you can shuffletrack or play the cut card placement game. Even if you're a novice at shuffletracking but have a decent idea how to play, its a great casino to start applying it. They only do a one pass shuffle, and with 8 decks there are some pretty negative counts, which means cutting lots of high cards into the next shoe if done correctly. Only problem is at these prime tables they have low table maxs' of $500 so if you are high rolling you better be good at covering your game. Although it is hard to detect what you're doing when most of the big bets are coming on severely negative counts. We were spreading 2 and 3 bets at table max, it brought attention but they did nothing about it because they could'nt figure out what we were doing. Give it a try if you're up there, I recommend it highly.
Just came back from another weekend up at the Turning Stone, and I must say they have extremely beatable games if you can shuffletrack or play the cut card placement game. Even if you're a novice at shuffletracking but have a decent idea how to play, its a great casino to start applying it. They only do a one pass shuffle, and with 8 decks there are some pretty negative counts, which means cutting lots of high cards into the next shoe if done correctly. Only problem is at these prime tables they have low table maxs' of $500 so if you are high rolling you better be good at covering your game. Although it is hard to detect what you're doing when most of the big bets are coming on severely negative counts. We were spreading 2 and 3 bets at table max, it brought attention but they did nothing about it because they could'nt figure out what we were doing. Give it a try if you're up there, I recommend it highly.