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#11
April 28th, 2011, 08:08 PM
 Jack_Black Executive Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Planet Earth Posts: 1,047

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 Originally Posted by Dyepaintball12 How does the Pen work on a machine like that?
I have seen similar machines where it notes that the deck will be shuffled after each hand, FWIW. I would assume others would be in the same vein.
#12
April 29th, 2011, 01:56 AM
 shadroch Executive Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: NYC Posts: 6,696

Quote:
 Originally Posted by Jack_Black I have seen similar machines where it notes that the deck will be shuffled after each hand, FWIW. I would assume others would be in the same vein.

I've never seen that on these machines. It states the machine uses six decks with a shuffle after 2/3rds are dealt, but identifying the shuttle point is not easy.
#13
April 29th, 2011, 05:52 PM
 sagefr0g Executive Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 5,141

Quote:
 Originally Posted by Jack_Black View Post I have seen similar machines where it notes that the deck will be shuffled after each hand, FWIW. I would assume others would be in the same vein.
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 Originally Posted by shadroch I've never seen that on these machines. It states the machine uses six decks with a shuffle after 2/3rds are dealt, but identifying the shuttle point is not easy.
as late as this april.....
the Trop has both, errhh by both i mean machines that shuffle after every round (\$1 denom) and machines that shuffle after 2/3rds six pack dealt (\$2 &\$3 denom)...... the rules are stated on the machines......
but yeah, you can't tell when the shuffle occurs far as i know.
#14
April 29th, 2011, 08:14 PM
 shadroch Executive Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: NYC Posts: 6,696

Quote:
 Originally Posted by sagefr0g as late as this april..... the Trop has both, errhh by both i mean machines that shuffle after every round (\$1 denom) and machines that shuffle after 2/3rds six pack dealt (\$2 &\$3 denom)...... the rules are stated on the machines...... but yeah, you can't tell when the shuffle occurs far as i know.

Where in the Trop are there Virtual BJ machines that shuffle after every round? The virtual let it ride, 3CP and Texas Hold Em games do, but all the BJ games are six deckers, unless they changed them since mid- Feb.
#15
April 29th, 2011, 10:46 PM
 sagefr0g Executive Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 5,141

Quote:
 Originally Posted by shadroch Where in the Trop are there Virtual BJ machines that shuffle after every round? The virtual let it ride, 3CP and Texas Hold Em games do, but all the BJ games are six deckers, unless they changed them since mid- Feb.
yes they must have changed them shad....... the virtual bj machines at the Trop are arranged (along with the 3cp & let it ride machines) in a sort of oval configured area along side the table game area.
one of the virtual bj machines was \$1 denomination, that machine was configured to shuffle each round.
the higher denomination virtual bj machines, errh, i believe they were \$2 & \$3, were configured to shuffle after 2/3 of a six deck pack was dealt.

as a side note, i'll just say i've seen \$5 denomination virtual bj machines that are configured to shuffle each round at other joints in the mid-west, while others are configured to shuffle after 2/3 of a six deck pack have been dealt..... apparently these machines can be configured over a very wide array of rules & conditions.
#16
April 30th, 2011, 09:35 AM
 shadroch Executive Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: NYC Posts: 6,696

Quote:
 Originally Posted by sagefr0g yes they must have changed them shad....... the virtual bj machines at the Trop are arranged (along with the 3cp & let it ride machines) in a sort of oval configured area along side the table game area. one of the virtual bj machines was \$1 denomination, that machine was configured to shuffle each round. the higher denomination virtual bj machines, errh, i believe they were \$2 & \$3, were configured to shuffle after 2/3 of a six deck pack was dealt. as a side note, i'll just say i've seen \$5 denomination virtual bj machines that are configured to shuffle each round at other joints in the mid-west, while others are configured to shuffle after 2/3 of a six deck pack have been dealt..... apparently these machines can be configured over a very wide array of rules & conditions.
Damn.
A H17, DA2,DAS, LS, SD game is just about break-even, isn't it?
#17
April 30th, 2011, 09:45 AM
 paddywhack Executive Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: 3rd rock from the sun, Northwestern quadrant Posts: 802

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 Originally Posted by shadroch Damn. A H17, DA2,DAS, LS, SD game is just about break-even, isn't it?
The answer may be THEORETICALLY correct but who knows what kinds of tricks are played.

I know of a game which on appearance is even better but I have serious concerns after the time I've put in and the loss I've incurred.
#18
April 30th, 2011, 10:36 AM
 shadroch Executive Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: NYC Posts: 6,696

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 Originally Posted by paddywhack The answer may be THEORETICALLY correct but who knows what kinds of tricks are played. I know of a game which on appearance is even better but I have serious concerns after the time I've put in and the loss I've incurred.
These are ShuffleMaster games being played in a licensed casino. I'd be much more worried about being cheated by a rogue dealer than by these machines.
#19
April 30th, 2011, 10:50 AM
 sagefr0g Executive Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 5,141

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 Originally Posted by shadroch Damn. A H17, DA2,DAS, LS, SD game is just about break-even, isn't it?
i'm pretty sure the shuffle after each round machine was six deck.
funny you should say DAS, errhh i really can't remember if those machines were DAS, errhh i think they were though........ strange if they were in fact DAS as i wasn't able to find a DAS bj table game in Laughlin...... a pit boss at the Trop told me there was only one joint in Laughlin that had DAS but i never determined which joint it was.
#20
April 30th, 2011, 11:08 AM
 Jack_Black Executive Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Planet Earth Posts: 1,047

either way, 2/3 deck is still 66% pen. not worth counting, and actually worse off for you since the HE can now increase as the tens and aces come out of the shoe.

oh yea, SD LS machines are about .10 HE. way better than playing JOB.

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