Advice on a double deck game.

[ScottH]

Here are the rules of the game. Two decks, DAS, Double 10+11 only, H17, no surrender. Cass told me they have amazing penetration, but I would have to wait for him to give you the percentage.

The betting limits are 10-150. How much of a BR would I need for 10 dollar units, and 25 dollar units? What would I want to spread here? I have a betting ramp for a 1-5 spread as recommended in KO.

IRC= -4
1u at 0 and lower
2u at +1
3u at +2
4u at +3
5u at +4

I was thinking it might be better to bet 2x4 at +4 instead of 5u. Any suggestions on the spread and betting ramp are appreciated.

[zengrifter]

PENETRATION!!?? zg

[ScottH]

Originally Posted by zengrifter

PENETRATION!!?? zg

He told me it was as good as Prior Lake, which I think he said was around 90%. He said that one time there were about 10 cards cut off. Like I said, I would want to wait for Cass to post the actual percentage since he was the one playing the game, not me.

[ScottH]

Also, the game was dealt face up. I assume this makes a difference in penetration.

[zengrifter]

Originally Posted by ScottH

IRC= -4
1u at 0 and lower
2u at +1
3u at +2
4u at +3
5u at +4

I was thinking it might be better to bet 2x4 at +4 instead of 5u. Any suggestions on the spread and betting ramp are appreciated.

You need at least 300u and your RoR will be high at that level (25%+).

At +3 2x3u, at +4 2x4u, and exit as many (-)counts as humanly possible. zg

[ScottH]

Originally Posted by zengrifter

You need at least 300u and your RoR will be high at that level (25%+).

At +3 2x3u, at +4 2x4u, and exit as many (-)counts as humanly possible. zg

What would my EV be if I was playing 10 dollar units play-all? Would my ROR go down to 10% or lower if I had 500u or 600u?

[zengrifter]

Originally Posted by ScottH

What would my EV be if I was playing 10 dollar units play-all? Would my ROR go down to 10% or lower if I had 500u or 600u?

Just rough estimates, someone here could sim, but I'd guess 2.5u+/100 hands/rounds and yes 10% or lower. Order the phony ID and go get'em! zg

Ps - Learn the full KOP first!

[ScottH]

Originally Posted by zengrifter

Just rough estimates, someone here could sim, but I'd guess 2.5u+/100 hands/rounds and yes 10% or lower. Order the phony ID and go get'em! zg

Ps - Learn the full KOP first!

I could come up with 300u, but a 25% ROR is a little too high for me so I would team up to get at least 500u.

I don't even need a fake ID for this game since it's in MN.

I will begin learning KO-Full right away. I remember one post where you recomended a way to learn them, I can't remember what you said, so let me know a good way. There are a little over 40 indexes listed for KO-Full 2 deck. What granuity scale should I learn them with?

Thanks for all the help!

[Cass]

Originally Posted by ScottH

He told me it was as good as Prior Lake, which I think he said was around 90%. He said that one time there were about 10 cards cut off. Like I said, I would want to wait for Cass to post the actual percentage since he was the one playing the game, not me.

The worst pen i saw all night was 75%, and the best i saw was the last ten cards cut off. A lot of heat though! They knew i was counting but didnt back me off. During a very negative count i hit 12 vs. 6 with the pit critter watching drew a 7, and the dealer busted pit critter angerly said, "THAT'S BECAUSE HE'S COUNTING CARDS! Earlier in the night I split 10's against a six with table max out which caused him to rush over and see what was going on. A lot of cover is needed to last in this game. and i managed to profit $1500 over a couple hours of play.

[Cass]

I wanted to add- Mid shoe entry is allowed!