Cruise Ships and Regulations

[tribute]

Anyone know what entity regulates games on Royal Caribbean or Carnival? There have been posts about possible cheating by the casino. What recourse does a player have, if any?

[21forme]

There is no recourse and there is no overseeing authority. On the high seas, the Captain IS the law, period.

[tribute]

Wouldn't it be interesting to know total gambling revenue for a typical 7-day caribbean cruise.

[exgriffinman]

Originally Posted by 21forme

There is no recourse and there is no overseeing authority. On the high seas, the Captain IS the law, period.

21 is correct, who say's there are no pirate ships in the carribean anymore...Your larger cruiselines such as carnival, royal, norweigian are usually on the level, its the 3 mile cruises to nowhere that you have to watch out for...

EXGM

[johndoe]

Originally Posted by 21forme

There is no recourse and there is no overseeing authority. On the high seas, the Captain IS the law, period.

That's not quite true; the federal US government has authority over ships carrying US passengers, and using US ports. The FBI can and will investigate complaints.

But in practice it's definitely much more difficult to bring a case, especially for a nonviolent crime.

[21forme]

Originally Posted by exgriffinman

21 is correct, who say's there are no pirate ships in the carribean anymore...Your larger cruiselines such as carnival, royal, norweigian are usually on the level, its the 3 mile cruises to nowhere that you have to watch out for...

EXGM

EXGM - Not quite correct re the larger cruise lines. See my earlier post here: http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?t=20965 Reason I counted down the shoes before playing is an AP friend of mine had a similar experience on another cruise line.

[exgriffinman]

Originally Posted by johndoe

That's not quite true; the federal US government has authority over ships carrying US passengers, and using US ports. The FBI can and will investigate complaints.

But in practice it's definitely much more difficult to bring a case, especially for a nonviolent crime.

The Government may investigate injustices that happen on a cruise ship, But trust me they will not investigate a cheating dealer in a ships casino, international waters is international waters. I was a director of Surveillance for a cruiseline based out of Miami and Ft. Lauderdale and never did I deal with the FBI. Nor did I have a pit that cheated, The most I ever saw was the slot department tightening up machines (but they do this on land-based casinos as well)I believe my experience trumps what a friend said or assumptions.

[Machinist]

Originally Posted by exgriffinman

The Government may investigate injustices that happen on a cruise ship, But trust me they will not investigate a cheating dealer in a ships casino, international waters is international waters. I was a director of Surveillance for a cruiseline based out of Miami and Ft. Lauderdale and never did I deal with the FBI. Nor did I have a pit that cheated, The most I ever saw was the slot department tightening up machines (but they do this on land-based casinos as well)I believe my experience trumps what a friend said or assumptions.

Tightening up machines?

Machinist

[exgriffinman]

Originally Posted by Machinist

Tightening up machines?

Machinist

Yes, Iv'e witnessed it on two major cruise lines...On the trip out the machines will have average to abouve average payouts but before the trip back, slot techs will change out the boards making the machines tighter and less likely to pay off...I was surprised myself but then again just when you thought youve seen everything...

EXGM

[exgriffinman]

Originally Posted by 21forme

EXGM - Not quite correct re the larger cruise lines. See my earlier post here: http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?t=20965 Reason I counted down the shoes before playing is an AP friend of mine had a similar experience on another cruise line.

I'm not doubting you 21, I have read your previous post and will say that anything is possible...I just never witnessed it while working for either Royal or Norweigian. I will say this, on your previous post you stated they came up to the table and the cards were already in the shoe. Some cruise lines are cheap when it comes to cards and dice, they will shut the casino down at the end of the day and instead of boxing the cards up, they will just store the shoe till the next day and the same shoe goes back into play. Cheesy but they do it.

EXGM