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Old May 18th, 2011, 04:47 AM
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The Government may investigate injustices that happen on a cruise ship, But trust me they will not investigate a cheating dealer in a ships casino, international waters is international waters. I was a director of Surveillance for a cruiseline based out of Miami and Ft. Lauderdale and never did I deal with the FBI. Nor did I have a pit that cheated, The most I ever saw was the slot department tightening up machines (but they do this on land-based casinos as well)I believe my experience trumps what a friend said or assumptions.
I'm just citing what the law says; being in international waters doesn't clear the ship from US law or the FBI. They're still under federal jurisdiction.

But you're right, as a practical matter, it's unlikely that the FBI will devote any serious resources to investigating a cheating casino. But it's because of what the FBI considers a priority, not because they happen to be in international waters.

I would have to think that a player holding a hefty stack of bills could convince the pit to fan out the cards at least once, no?
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Old May 18th, 2011, 12:21 PM
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I'm just citing what the law says; being in international waters doesn't clear the ship from US law or the FBI. They're still under federal jurisdiction.

But you're right, as a practical matter, it's unlikely that the FBI will devote any serious resources to investigating a cheating casino. But it's because of what the FBI considers a priority, not because they happen to be in international waters.

I would have to think that a player holding a hefty stack of bills could convince the pit to fan out the cards at least once, no?
I agree, but my advise to all on this thread...If you don't trust the place your playing in, don't play!!
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Old May 19th, 2011, 12:24 AM
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..., The most I ever saw was the slot department tightening up machines (but they do this on land-based casinos as well)......
can you expand on this a bit? errhhh particularly in regards to land-based casinos........
do most states have laws with respect to the overall hold and payback for the slots in mass?
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Old May 19th, 2011, 11:34 AM
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can you expand on this a bit? errhhh particularly in regards to land-based casinos........
do most states have laws with respect to the overall hold and payback for the slots in mass?
Yes, all states with leagalized land-based gaming are regulated when it comes to slot hold and payout (ie: Nevada minimum payout on slots is 75% and in New Jersey it's 83 %). Regulations vary from state to state.

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Old May 20th, 2011, 11:35 AM
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Yes, all states with leagalized land-based gaming are regulated when it comes to slot hold and payout (ie: Nevada minimum payout on slots is 75% and in New Jersey it's 83 %). Regulations vary from state to state.

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thank you for confirming that exgriff.....
so with respect to that minimum payout regulation, is it true that, that means an overall average of the slot machines in a given casino? so say a given machine in Nevada, may legally payout less than 75% as long as the overall average of all the slots pays out 75%?
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Old May 20th, 2011, 01:03 PM
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thank you for confirming that exgriff.....
so with respect to that minimum payout regulation, is it true that, that means an overall average of the slot machines in a given casino? so say a given machine in Nevada, may legally payout less than 75% as long as the overall average of all the slots pays out 75%?
Yes, As long as the total hold is 75% per the state, this ensures their revenue...

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Old May 20th, 2011, 08:50 PM
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Anyone know what entity regulates games on Royal Caribbean or Carnival? There have been posts about possible cheating by the casino. What recourse does a player have, if any?
Dealers MOSTLY cheat IN FAVOR of players, for tips. zg
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Yes, As long as the total hold is 75% per the state, this ensures their revenue...

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Hold it now........I don't believe this to be correct. I think that is by the machine,,,,the 75%. Not as a whole. I know that the manufacturers make 3 or 4 different chips for each type of machine. So there will be let's say a 75% chip which would be Nevada's minimum, and then an 80%, 85, and so on....
Why they do that is because each gaming market is unique. Some casinos have a lot of high dollar action and some not so much.
What ever their market can bear is where they set them. Same with denominations, some can handle 4$ spins on machines some only 3$.
I could be wrong about the total hold deal, but anything I've read over the years leads me to my belief.
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I think I am in need of a visit back to a certain cruise line once I am a bit more proficient at being an AP player. I ended up dropping more in 30 min at the BJ table then I spent on the ENTIRE(flights, cruise, shopping, booze, etc..) vacation for two. At this point, I didn't even have bs down, but I thought I did. I can't remember the specifics of the game, but it was SD dealt face up, but I was the only player, H17. Not sure about das or pen. Didn't even know what pen was at the time.
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I think I am in need of a visit back to a certain cruise line once I am a bit more proficient at being an AP player. I ended up dropping more in 30 min at the BJ table then I spent on the ENTIRE(flights, cruise, shopping, booze, etc..) vacation for two. At this point, I didn't even have bs down, but I thought I did. I can't remember the specifics of the game, but it was SD dealt face up, but I was the only player, H17. Not sure about das or pen. Didn't even know what pen was at the time.
What cruise ship deals SD face up?
 

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