Cruise Ships and Regulations

[johndoe]

Originally Posted by exgriffinman

The Government may investigate injustices that happen on a cruise ship, But trust me they will not investigate a cheating dealer in a ships casino, international waters is international waters. I was a director of Surveillance for a cruiseline based out of Miami and Ft. Lauderdale and never did I deal with the FBI. Nor did I have a pit that cheated, The most I ever saw was the slot department tightening up machines (but they do this on land-based casinos as well)I believe my experience trumps what a friend said or assumptions.

I'm just citing what the law says; being in international waters doesn't clear the ship from US law or the FBI. They're still under federal jurisdiction.

But you're right, as a practical matter, it's unlikely that the FBI will devote any serious resources to investigating a cheating casino. But it's because of what the FBI considers a priority, not because they happen to be in international waters.

I would have to think that a player holding a hefty stack of bills could convince the pit to fan out the cards at least once, no?

[exgriffinman]

Originally Posted by johndoe

I'm just citing what the law says; being in international waters doesn't clear the ship from US law or the FBI. They're still under federal jurisdiction.

But you're right, as a practical matter, it's unlikely that the FBI will devote any serious resources to investigating a cheating casino. But it's because of what the FBI considers a priority, not because they happen to be in international waters.

I would have to think that a player holding a hefty stack of bills could convince the pit to fan out the cards at least once, no?

I agree, but my advise to all on this thread...If you don't trust the place your playing in, don't play!!

[sagefr0g]

Originally Posted by exgriffinman

..., The most I ever saw was the slot department tightening up machines (but they do this on land-based casinos as well)......

can you expand on this a bit? errhhh particularly in regards to land-based casinos........
do most states have laws with respect to the overall hold and payback for the slots in mass?

[exgriffinman]

Originally Posted by sagefr0g

can you expand on this a bit? errhhh particularly in regards to land-based casinos........
do most states have laws with respect to the overall hold and payback for the slots in mass?

Yes, all states with leagalized land-based gaming are regulated when it comes to slot hold and payout (ie: Nevada minimum payout on slots is 75% and in New Jersey it's 83 %). Regulations vary from state to state.

EXGM

[sagefr0g]

Originally Posted by exgriffinman

Yes, all states with leagalized land-based gaming are regulated when it comes to slot hold and payout (ie: Nevada minimum payout on slots is 75% and in New Jersey it's 83 %). Regulations vary from state to state.

EXGM

thank you for confirming that exgriff.....
so with respect to that minimum payout regulation, is it true that, that means an overall average of the slot machines in a given casino? so say a given machine in Nevada, may legally payout less than 75% as long as the overall average of all the slots pays out 75%?

[exgriffinman]

Originally Posted by sagefr0g

thank you for confirming that exgriff.....
so with respect to that minimum payout regulation, is it true that, that means an overall average of the slot machines in a given casino? so say a given machine in Nevada, may legally payout less than 75% as long as the overall average of all the slots pays out 75%?

Yes, As long as the total hold is 75% per the state, this ensures their revenue...

EXGM

[zengrifter]

Originally Posted by tribute

Anyone know what entity regulates games on Royal Caribbean or Carnival? There have been posts about possible cheating by the casino. What recourse does a player have, if any?

Dealers MOSTLY cheat IN FAVOR of players, for tips. zg

[Machinist]

Originally Posted by exgriffinman

Yes, As long as the total hold is 75% per the state, this ensures their revenue...

EXGM

Hold it now........I don't believe this to be correct. I think that is by the machine,,,,the 75%. Not as a whole. I know that the manufacturers make 3 or 4 different chips for each type of machine. So there will be let's say a 75% chip which would be Nevada's minimum, and then an 80%, 85, and so on....
Why they do that is because each gaming market is unique. Some casinos have a lot of high dollar action and some not so much.
What ever their market can bear is where they set them. Same with denominations, some can handle 4$ spins on machines some only 3$.
I could be wrong about the total hold deal, but anything I've read over the years leads me to my belief.
Machinist

[noharmnofoul]

I think I am in need of a visit back to a certain cruise line once I am a bit more proficient at being an AP player. I ended up dropping more in 30 min at the BJ table then I spent on the ENTIRE(flights, cruise, shopping, booze, etc..) vacation for two. At this point, I didn't even have bs down, but I thought I did. I can't remember the specifics of the game, but it was SD dealt face up, but I was the only player, H17. Not sure about das or pen. Didn't even know what pen was at the time.

[tthree]

Originally Posted by noharmnofoul

I think I am in need of a visit back to a certain cruise line once I am a bit more proficient at being an AP player. I ended up dropping more in 30 min at the BJ table then I spent on the ENTIRE(flights, cruise, shopping, booze, etc..) vacation for two. At this point, I didn't even have bs down, but I thought I did. I can't remember the specifics of the game, but it was SD dealt face up, but I was the only player, H17. Not sure about das or pen. Didn't even know what pen was at the time.

What cruise ship deals SD face up?