Indian Reservations

[FLASH1296]

Oh yeah, they welcome you, [and your wampum], with open arms,
especially if you are a regular visitor who has not put a hurtin' on them.

[paddywhack]

Originally Posted by FLASH1296

Oh yeah, they welcome you, [and your wampum], with open arms,
especially if you are a regular visitor who has not put a hurtin' on them.

That they know of

[Coyote]

Originally Posted by paddywhack

That they know of

[Automatic Monkey]

As a general rule on a reservation apply the criminal law of the state where it is located, but not the civil law.

An Indian cannot legally do something to you which would be a crime off the reservation. Nor can you do these things to him. But refusing to pay a debt is a civil matter and the tribe will claim (and receive) sovereign immunity if you take them to court for refusing to cash cheques or pay a jackpot.

In the case of tribal police, by themselves they don't have the authority to enforce tribal laws on and arrest non-tribal members, but many of them now have been deputized by the sheriffs or given peace officer status by their states, so they do have the power to arrest and detain, but only in accordance with state law.

[blackjacktilt]

I personally KNOW (as unmitigated fact) of a Card Counter who
was severely beaten at Foxwoods, about a decade ago. The irony
was that his brother who is an attorney in Hartford, had the task
of visiting him in the I.C.U., (where he was recovering from internal
injuries and multiple fractures), that he had NO legal recourse.

Really? I live in this area and never heard of this.... interesting

[FLASH1296]

Blackjack tilt,

Casinos do a bang-up job of keeping crime out of the media.

Tiny towns, like Norwich, CT have one little newspaper and a very poorly paid constabulary that are easily bought.

This is especially true when it comes to suicides and serious assaults.

Last year I witnessed a poker player keel over and expire after going about 25 minutes without medical care of even rudimentary measures, while the casino is 0.01 miles distant. HUH ? Yes the hospital shares the same parking garage as the casino. The guy died, but the security staff and E.M.T.'s followed standard protocol; which is to put an oxygen mask on him and wheel him out while pretending that he is still alive.

All law-enforcement peeps know full well that the casinos will always make sure that their own are well-taken care of come Christmas.

[Automatic Monkey]

Originally Posted by blackjacktilt

I personally KNOW (as unmitigated fact) of a Card Counter who
was severely beaten at Foxwoods, about a decade ago. The irony
was that his brother who is an attorney in Hartford, had the task
of visiting him in the I.C.U., (where he was recovering from internal
injuries and multiple fractures), that he had NO legal recourse.

Really? I live in this area and never heard of this.... interesting

Who beat him? The CT stores are patrolled by CT state troopers, and if you are beaten by one of them there you have the same recourse as if you were beaten by a trooper anywhere else. Admittedly, police being what they are, that may be very little.

The typical security guard at Foxwoods is in his 60's and/or in terrible physical condition. They are not going to be detaining and beating anyone. Only rarely have I seen a casino security guard that looked like he could win a fight against someone who can fight. I've been threatened with beatings myself at Foxwoods, just never by a cop and never by a casino employee.

[nicetrades200303]

Originally Posted by Automatic Monkey

As a general rule on a reservation apply the criminal law of the state where it is located, but not the civil law.

An Indian cannot legally do something to you which would be a crime off the reservation. Nor can you do these things to him. But refusing to pay a debt is a civil matter and the tribe will claim (and receive) sovereign immunity if you take them to court for refusing to cash cheques or pay a jackpot.

In the case of tribal police, by themselves they don't have the authority to enforce tribal laws on and arrest non-tribal members, but many of them now have been deputized by the sheriffs or given peace officer status by their states, so they do have the power to arrest and detain, but only in accordance with state law.

Oh, my God! Really? This Indian reservation casinos stuff sounds scary. So realistically, the casinos oversee themselves? What good is the gaming commission then?

So they can backroom you because backrooming someone is unlawful detainment, but you can’t sue them because backrooming is only a civil violation, not a criminal violation?

I have some suspicions about the decks that an Indian casino uses, and I had thought of asking them to spread the cards to verify before I play. Now I am not so sure I want to do that. I don’t want to get backroomed and beaten up just for asking and not being able to sue them.

And, theoretically, if you experienced AP’s out there win a lot at an Indian casino, they don’t have to cash your chips? And maybe they don’t even have to pay you your 2K bet plus the splits and double down?

I was in favor of new Indian casinos opening up to create jobs. I wonder if I was wrong.

I am worried now. I only have access to Indian casinos. I guess it’s time to move on to casinos on U.S. soil (AC, Vegas) then, right?

[blackjacktilt]

Originally Posted by FLASH1296

Blackjack tilt,

Casinos do a bang-up job of keeping crime out of the media.

Tiny towns, like Norwich, CT have one little newspaper and a very poorly paid constabulary that are easily bought.

This is especially true when it comes to suicides and serious assaults.

Last year I witnessed a poker player keel over and expire after going about 25 minutes without medical care of even rudimentary measures, while the casino is 0.01 miles distant. HUH ? Yes the hospital shares the same parking garage as the casino. The guy died, but the security staff and E.M.T.'s followed standard protocol; which is to put an oxygen mask on him and wheel him out while pretending that he is still alive.

All law-enforcement peeps know full well that the casinos will always make sure that their own are well-taken care of come Christmas.

I'm not disputing anything you say, you have no doubt experienced alot more in your lifetime than I have in mine. No disrespect but, I just find it hard to believe. I know that when an opportunity to make Foxwoods look bad presents itself, it is always taken advantage of. I find it hard to believe this guy didn't go to the media or report it to State Police. Maybe he settled out of court, who knows.

[blackjacktilt]

Originally Posted by Automatic Monkey

Who beat him? The CT stores are patrolled by CT state troopers, and if you are beaten by one of them there you have the same recourse as if you were beaten by a trooper anywhere else. Admittedly, police being what they are, that may be very little.

The typical security guard at Foxwoods is in his 60's and/or in terrible physical condition. They are not going to be detaining and beating anyone. Only rarely have I seen a casino security guard that looked like he could win a fight against someone who can fight. I've been threatened with beatings myself at Foxwoods, just never by a cop and never by a casino employee.

Those security guys are a sad looking bunch.. Hate to see something real go down