Yet Another Lazy Question Re: The Law and ID

[FLASH1296]

> 87.5+% of the posters here — are too young to remember

when the Pit Boss had "The Power of the Pen"

— meaning that he carried a pad in his pocket and was generally there,

with a smile, to dispense whatever (reasonable) comp's were requested.

"What can I do for ya' today, Mr. X ?"

It makes my stomach roil when I have to consider the "points" on my player's card.

[paddywhack]

Originally Posted by FLASH1296

It makes my stomach roil when I have to consider the "points" on my player's card.

Or the fact that I don't have one since I'm playing unrated.

[aslan]

Originally Posted by LovinItAll

That was always a part of the allure of 'old Vegas'. What the hell happened? Could leaders of organized crime have been THAT much smarter than corporate America?

No answer required, as it's obvious that at the service level, they 'got it'. It's almost depressing that our country is now led/run by buffoons.

More precisely, bean counters. The mob(s) had it all right in some departments. In others, I'm happy they have assumed invisibility. Never doubt that they are still there, however.

[aslan]

Originally Posted by FLASH1296

> 87.5+% of the posters here — are too young to remember

when the Pit Boss had "The Power of the Pen"

— meaning that he carried a pad in his pocket and was generally there,

with a smile, to dispense whatever (reasonable) comp's were requested.

"What can I do for ya' today, Mr. X ?"

It makes my stomach roil when I have to consider the "points" on my player's card.

But of course you can still avail yourself of many such uncarded comps, even at your level, but especially if you are at the $500 a hand and above level.

[LovinItAll]

Originally Posted by aslan

More precisely, bean counters. The mob(s) had it all right in some departments. In others, I'm happy they have assumed invisibility. Never doubt that they are still there, however.

^^^Yes.

I think it's pretty easy to understand, though. When the people openly running the joints were also familiar with the personalities of the players (because some were just like them), the entire vibe was different. Today, the mngmt. in some/most places just don't 'get it'. As has been stated by many, the real threat by cc's is overblown, and some places are in diminishing return attempting to thwart AP BJ players. There's a recently posted link to an article written for casino execs that addresses that statement.

I think a casino could hang a sign that reads, "Most Card Counters Welcome" and then watch as profits soared. If they had a way to weed out the very best AP BJ players (top 10%?) or if they just had small-ish table limits, then I KNOW they would rake it in, as the influx of wannabes would more than offset losses. Just having someone spewing, "1,6,4,-2,A,-3" over the PA would throw off a bunch of folks.

Take care ~ L.I.A.

[FLASH1296]

Las Vegas commenced going to hell more than 40 years ago.

It occurred when Circus Circus became the first casino to "go public"

That dump was unloaded by the Sarnoff brothers, who became plutocrats with their brainstorm — Caesars Palace.

That opened the doors to a flood of agents of the S.E.C., Treasury, and I.R.S.

When Howard Hughes sold off casinos to corporations ...

Bent_Nose's out. Bean_Counters in.

[shadroch]

Call me silly but I'll take todays games with their full decks and honest die to the games the "boys" used to offer.

[aslan]

Originally Posted by shadroch

Call me silly but I'll take todays games with their full decks and honest die to the games the "boys" used to offer.

Yes, it is nice to know that we'll probably get a fair shake nowadays, all things being considered. And it's also progress that backrooming is a thing of the past in most American casinos. I have a low tolerance for pain.

[blackjack avenger]

Where there not fewer casinos?
Could the casinos have been more free with comps due to more cheating?
How were APs treated then?

[LovinItAll]

Originally Posted by FLASH1296

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> 87.5+% of the posters here — are too young to remember

when the Pit Boss had "The Power of the Pen"

I really, really wish I was in that group, but times were beginning to change when I started coming out here.

— meaning that he carried a pad in his pocket and was generally there,

with a smile, to dispense whatever (reasonable) comp's were requested.

...and some unreasonable benefits, as well - if 'unreasonable' meant not exactly legal.

I had an uncle that began running junkets to Vegas from the east coast in the 60's. My parents went on countless trips through the 60's and into the 70's. I remember my mother declaring the "end of Vegas as we know it" when they started making players post before the trip, then deciding what comps they would get based on their play. Thankfully, she was around long enough to tell me about some wild 60's stuff they experienced.

I started coming in the 70's. Of all the people to show me Vegas, I had my mother and father. I wouldn't change a thing - they were treated like royalty, and I guarantee they left much more money behind as a result. Had they been in today's Vegas...pffft.

Could the casinos have been more free with comps due to more cheating?

Notwithstanding the recent economic meltdown, have you looked at the the gaming commission reports? It wasn't due to lack of money that they started nickle and diming players.

How were APs treated then?

Ha... I think cheating/collusion was much easier then due to the technology. Subtract that and I don't think that any smart AP had a big problem. If one got greedy, though, today's climate is, well....safer, methinks. I don't think getting trespassed was the first line of defense for the casinos, you know?

As always, my comments are subjective.

Best ~ L.I.A.