What do you tell a ploppy?

Was playing at a green chip table on a weekday. As usual all ploppies blaming every other play others do. One guy will blame others for not playing the hand correctly but he himself will stand on 16 V 10. He gives a reason that he is at least consistent.

Ok. So the same guy has lost his first marker. And was chasing that loss (think about 7K) with another marker. He was betting 2 or 4 units a hand. We were playing for about 5,6 hours together. He was playing for another 8 hours before I joined. There were many dead shoes, when I was betting one unit. When the count peaks I was betting 16/12 unit bet. So this guy was watching me because we were the only two guys in the table. End of the day, he asked the question - "I keep seeing you betting 1/2 chips most of the time but all of a sudden you go for a big stack of chips. I do not understand how you decide to raise your bets, can you tell me?".

Irony, the same guy was telling others that 2D are no more in East Coast because people can remember the cards.

Has it happened to you? What do you tell him. I just smiled and avoided the question.

Tell him you go on hunches.

Eh, we've all had our experiences with ploppies, don't let it bother you. Ploppy encounters are an obvious variable when us counters play at the blackjack table. For instance, when I was at WinStar on two separate occasions where I was wonging-in on tables. I played through a very high count of a 6 deck shoe and the shuffle came. The dealer looked at everyone with the cut card and no one was willing to cut into the decks because ploppies are just completely superstitious. So I decide to step up, knowing that wherever I choose is going to be as equally random as anyone else with the cut card. Once I shoved it into a random spot, I decided to take a "phone call" to wait for another good count. This ploppy sitting next to me betting green chips who could speak english with a horrid accent tells me I should never cut the deck and not play with a terrible tone in her voice. I laughed at how childish she was acting, and told her that it was going to be equally as random regardless of who cut it. She ends up losing six hands in a row betting $75-100 a hand and storms off. On the second occasion, I did the exact same thing. A ploppy male says the same thing to me, where I then proceed to give the same response. He loses two or three hands in a row and leaves telling me I have bad "karma" and that's why he is losing. Silly ploppies, tricks are for kids. :grin:

I agree with the idea that if you no intentions of playing the deck yourself, you have no business deciding the fate of the players at the table. I am not arguing that it is not 100% random though, just that it is a common courtesy.

Too bad, because I disagree with the idea that if I don't have intentions of playing the deck I can't cut the deck. Because this is America, I could choose to drive to WinStar right now to not play and JUST to place the cut card into the deck wherever I please, and be satisfied with myself. And since I am not a ploppy, I don't believe in deciding "fate" for the rest of the players. Fate is irrelevant! I am a card counter who tries to play with an advantage and this is a blackjack card counting forum where we discuss mathematics and theory of the game, not ploppy hunches and superstition. Why should I have common courtesy for ploppies who go to casinos to play a game with a disadvantage and lose money?

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i think you answered your own question

Actually, that didn't answer my own question.

Hmmm

If he noticed it so did the Dealer, Pit and Eye.

You very well may be kissing that place goodbye very soon

CP

I don't really understand why you would do something that bothers people when it doesn't benefit you in anyway. Doing something that annoys people because you "can" is pointless.

SB

Then you haven't read any of the other posts on this thread. I didn't cut the cards to begin with to bother anyone else. If you had read clearly enough I stated that no one else in my story was willing to cut the deck, so I did the honors of doing it. I originally had no intention of bothering or annoying anyone at my table. It wasn't until blackjackdealer commented on it saying that I had no business cutting the deck and deciding other people's fate when I decided to state that I could cut the deck if I wanted to, when in actuality I was the only one at the table willing to do so. I did nothing wrong.

What is this decide everyones fate. Does anyone here believe a random event is what decides their fate? More ploppy superstition.

After playing for a while at a table everyone starts asking me how I would play their hand. I don't like the attention and either say nothing or tell them the BS play so it doesn't look suspicious. I guess winning hands with a high playing efficiency stands out. I just say I play my hunches. If the ploppy doesn't blame me for good advice getting bad results I am sometimes more helpful. I usually just let the dealer or some now it all give the advice.

I was asked the same question many times. These are intelligent ploppies. Once they saw you won the majority of the big bets, they know there is something going on.

However, I always said it is the hunch.

Wrong answer. You're a GENIUS :laugh: gotta tell them so.

I get the attention even if i have been flat betting because of the lack of any opportunities. I think they watch my odd plays and track whether I was better off or not. Learning a 100 indices with a very high PE can make you look quite intuitive. After a half hour to an hour of minimum betting everyone wants my advice.

"Intuitive" - good answer.

BTW, what I usually do when a ploppy keeps criticizing my play is I tell them I am counting! :laugh: I usually get an "Ok" and a laugh then they go back to playing their own hand. Also, not one was turned me in yet!

Just found the thread, and felt compelled to say:

johnnyb, you're an ass.

I am overwhelmed with the love displayed on this website :laugh::laugh:

i just love to say ,i have been lucky these few days!!

after all i will always be a "ploppy" always!!