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Old July 29th, 2011, 11:45 PM
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Foxwoods is now H17 as of this July. They also plan to bring in automatic shuffler machines soon starting on the Foxwoods side then introducing them to MGM.

The penetration has improved. It is now a one deck cut off. I thought it was only with the dealer that first worked the table, but it seemed that all the dealers were going deep into the shoe. I wonder if they see this as compensation for H17?

I questioned the dealer why he hit 17, and he mentioned they just started doing it this month. The felt didn't have this new rule posted so it was a bit of a surprise and disappointment at the same time.

I asked the floor manager about it. He mentioned that it is becoming industry standard. I made sure to express my disatisfaction with the move even though it won't change anything there.

Maybe Pennsylvania is the place to go! I went to the Sugarhouse recently and the rules were fairly favorable.
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Old July 30th, 2011, 03:06 AM
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They also plan to bring in automatic shuffler machines soon starting on the Foxwoods side then introducing them to MGM.
ASMs only right? For a second I though you said CSM and was about to flip lol. Though I remember they tried CSMs once and it went over so poorly that they switched back to good old shoes.

On a side note, I hear pen at xxxSugarxxx xxxHousexxx is horrible not to mention the neighborhood it's in. Actually make that hood it is in...no neighbor there. But it also seems that security/heat is non-existent. Any updates as far as pen goes at this store?

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Old July 30th, 2011, 05:13 AM
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It sounds like they're trying to speed up the game in many ways - good for them. ASM's are generally better for counters anyhow. And better pen does make up for the H17.

Now if they'd just bring back backline betting they'd get even more action at the tables.

The new manager is certainly making his mark, and seems to be reasonably smart about his decisions.
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Old July 30th, 2011, 07:33 AM
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Foxwoods is now H17 as of this July. They also plan to bring in automatic shuffler machines soon starting on the Foxwoods side then introducing them to MGM.

The penetration has improved. It is now a one deck cut off. I thought it was only with the dealer that first worked the table, but it seemed that all the dealers were going deep into the shoe. I wonder if they see this as compensation for H17?

I questioned the dealer why he hit 17, and he mentioned they just started doing it this month. The felt didn't have this new rule posted so it was a bit of a surprise and disappointment at the same time.

I asked the floor manager about it. He mentioned that it is becoming industry standard. I made sure to express my disatisfaction with the move even though it won't change anything there.

Maybe Pennsylvania is the place to go! I went to the Sugarhouse recently and the rules were fairly favorable.
Not to be picky but Foxwoods changed to H17 on April 28th and MGM on June 15th. Every single felt in both casinos does indeed have the rule posted. It's S17 in the Newport room and H17 everywhere else.

I've seen shuffle machines come and go many times over the years at Foxwoods. As always, the bottom line will be the deciding factor.
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Old July 30th, 2011, 08:02 PM
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ASMs only right? For a second I though you said CSM and was about to flip lol. Though I remember they tried CSMs once and it went over so poorly that they switched back to good old shoes.

On a side note, I hear pen at xxxSugarxxx xxxHousexxx is horrible not to mention the neighborhood it's in. Actually make that hood it is in...no neighbor there. But it also seems that security/heat is non-existent. Any updates as far as pen goes at this store?


At the Sugarhouse the pen was pretty good. The cut off was around 1 1/2 decks. The rules were liberal as well. I had the chance to buy into someone else's double when he was short of cash, and I witnessed other players making across the table buy-ins into other players hands. Casinos I frequent do not allow these types of bets. So, it was my first time using Renzey's strategies from Blackjack Bluebook II. As you probably know, they use 8 decks, offer surrender, S17 etc. They used to allow resplit Aces but now no longer. So, you can only split Aces once.

Yeah, I didn't encounter any heat, but at the same time I walked out a loser! The general atmosphere is laid-back. None of the dealers seemed to be seasoned pros and were generally friendly. One of the dealers I had made three different mistakes dealing the cards. So, many of them are likely new to the biz.

The location is not really a neighborhood at all but on a pier in an industrial area away from the city center. Still, it is not much to worry about as long as you don't walk from there. I took a taxi each time. The ride was about 10 minutes or less from the Liberty Bell. There is even a free shuttle bus which does a loop through downtown every couple of hours.

Minimums are typically $25 and the tables can be busy. Since it is not a really large place there are not a lot of tables. Still, if you get there in the afternoon/off hours before 4:30pm, you might find an empty table with a minimum of $15.

If you fund your play by using a credit card, which yes, I know is not recommended, there is only one ATM which will do credit card cash advances. It is near the valet parking area. I found this a bit strange! I figured that a casino would want you to give them your money no matter where it came from!
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Old July 30th, 2011, 08:32 PM
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Sugarhouse is better than it used to be. The ploppies that filled the tables when they first opened are now broke, so you can get a seat.
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Old July 31st, 2011, 01:59 AM
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Those rule changes sound like Zender-ism and make a lot of sense.
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Confirmed: FW now has some CSM's. Not ASM's, CSM's.
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Old August 2nd, 2011, 04:59 AM
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Confirmed: FW now has some CSM's. Not ASM's, CSM's.
It didn't work out well last time they tried it. How is the traffic on those tables? Hopefully it'll be low and they will re-learn their lesson.

We need to convince ploppies that CSMs constantly "change the flow of cards" and that they are inherently evil.
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Old August 2nd, 2011, 09:50 AM
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It didn't work out well last time they tried it. How is the traffic on those tables? Hopefully it'll be low and they will re-learn their lesson.

We need to convince ploppies that CSMs constantly "change the flow of cards" and that they are inherently evil.
I saw them getting sparse and small action, in the de facto Asian room in the old casino. Those tables are usually $25 or $50 min and tend to get large action, that is the last pit they should have put CSM's or even H17 in.

AP's should manage casino table games! It would be very profitable for both AP's and the casino. More enjoyable for the civilians too.
 

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