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Old August 14th, 2011, 07:00 AM
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Thanks for the story.

Why did you not just tell them how much money you had?

Seems like that triggered the deal, and then the dog barking, which I am sure was a put on unless coke on the cash

Been stopped on Max for false reasons, raised hell over it at the station, and rousted at Detroit Windsor border crossing for having $6K in my back pocket, thought I was going to lose it to punk US border guards.

The bad thing is i bet you feel bad for having to run your mouth about so many private things just to get your freedom back, makes you feel very violated, more each time you think about it,,,I dislike the man and the Gov.

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Old August 14th, 2011, 07:52 AM
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Thanks for your post, Machinist. Of course, you had to be there, but playing armchair quarterback, I agree with Friendo. I would have politely disputed the turn signal line (you sure it's not out?), given my license and answered no questions.

This would be a good scenario for Richard Munchkin to discuss with Bob N. on his show.
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Old August 14th, 2011, 08:34 AM
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Thanks for the info Mac.

I'm always good at having casino related material with me and my cash when I fly but haven't done that much when traveling by car. Gotta make that a habit too.

Glad all worked out ok except the lost hours.
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Old August 14th, 2011, 09:02 AM
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Until you actually go through this kind of an ordeal you cant understand. Again, if they want to search your car they will. Trust me, they will.
When 4 cars show up, you are going down town. Unless, and this is a big one AGAIN ;;;;;;;there is no dog available.
Understand this was an active drug enforcment group working the freeway.
Now i have been pulled over years ago when i had a van, 3 times i got pulled over in a year and a half,1st time i let them search. Finally they let me go, but i had no cash, i wasnt on a working trip then. The other two times, i denied access to search, no dogs available so was let go.
So in this instant a few things came together, an active drug unit, large amount of cash (at least to them it was). I gave it a shot on denying to search, but at that point after the dog arrives, your going to the station no matter what. I believe even if You only had 5g on ya, your still gonnna go talk to their boss.
I know its easy to say just shutup, but it doesnt work that way in real life sometimes.

CP i did signal, it blinked twice,,,,,he checked my signal , it does work...I check all my lights, just for this purpose.
But if your profiled, your profiled!!!!
Oh yea, i got rid of that van after the third time of gettin pulled over.
What i boils down to is i put so many miles on driving to different parts of the country, that eventually the law of averages says you will get stopped for on thing or another.
But again, like Sucker has said and also was brought up on the Munchkin interview with Mr. Nersersian,,,,, get your gambling stuff in one spot, be organized and ready to declare that this is what the money is for.
If you have a bank receipt for the money, that will do the trick, or a receipt from a casino.
I wasnt fully prepared for this, but i had put all gambling stuff in a spot in my suitcase and i did that because of some chats on this site just about this subject. Well it definitely worked in convincing these guys i was on the up and up. The DEA guy told me that, plus my record is clean in the NCIC.
I dont know if this was in my original post or not, but he also said that TEXAS is the worst ever if you get caught with over 10g you WILL get charged with money laundering, unless you have receipts for it, no ifs ands or buts. HE was dead serious about them.
He acknowledged that anything over 10g in their state without proof of where it came from could be confiscated and taken into a court situation. Thats their law, but also he said they try not to do that because they would lose 99% of the time.
So they are really looking for the guys with stuff on their record and a much larger amount of cash.
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Old August 14th, 2011, 09:08 AM
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Friendo,
You can tell when they want to search..nothing you can do to stop it. The dog comes out , ruff ruff, now they can search...
But if a dog isnt available ......................then they have to let ya go.......
This was an active unit, actively doing drug enforcement... dog unit was there in 5 minutes.
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Machinist, have you considered taking a European Vacation?

Maybe some blackjack in the French Riviera would be so bad after all this.
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Old August 14th, 2011, 09:18 AM
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Machinist, have you considered taking a European Vacation?

Maybe some blackjack in the French Riviera would be so bad after all this.
Actually Bond, i am doing some long range planning for a few out of country trips. But this isn't till next year. To many projects to get finished at home right now....ugghhhh.
I just chaulk this up to part of being in the "Business", and just keep doing my thing!!!!!

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Old August 14th, 2011, 10:52 AM
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Until you actually go through this kind of an ordeal you cant understand. Again, if they want to search your car they will. Trust me, they will.

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x2. when I did my roadtrip to wendover I got stopped going on the UT/NV border going there and stopped again leaving. Both times I got stopped for "illegal" tint and a complicated car ins/title situation. the first cop asked a few questions, found out I was gonna be gambling, then let us go. the second cop was just way too overzeolous and hit me with a barrage of questions. but when he found out I was there for gambling, he concluded that I'm suspect for narcotics with the amount of cash on hand. I even lied about the amount I had. but that didn't stop him. I said I had about $3800, but he still called K-9. although I didn't go downtown. I know most wouldn't suggest this, but I would lie a little here. the risk/reward ratio is good for me. lie about the amount I have and I could either get off scott free or they could send me downtown and put me under a microscope with no real penalties. this is going to happen to you anyway if you declare the high cash amount. might as well keep quiet about it.

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Old August 14th, 2011, 11:16 AM
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Had it been me, I can't claim I would have kept my mouth shut. I find these situations scary.

I know full well that keeping quiet would not have prevented a search. I know that it might have meant longer than a 3-hour visit with the police.

Still, based on everything I have heard from legal experts, I would have tried to say nothing to the cops beyond "Here is my license and registration" and, when asked, "I do not consent to a search of my vehicle." I would have tried to say nothing to the cops at the station. I would have tried to say nothing to the DEA agent without a lawyer present. I would have not discussed anything with anyone - I would not have believed that I was released until I was in my car and driving away, because they can lie about absolutely anything when questioning you, including when they say "You're free to go."

For the record, I doubt I would have succeeded in keeping quiet.

I am not saying that you handled this stupidly - many intelligent people would not have handled it as well as you did.

What I am saying is that the advice of lawyers is to not say a damned thing to the police, whether you are innocent or guilty. If asked where you're going, say "Is there anything I can help you with, officer?" or say nothing.

You're only responsible for driver's license, registration, and insurance. If I had a weapon in the car, as I sometimes do, I would certainly answer that question truthfully. But I would aim to politely decline to answer any questions about cash or the purpose of my trip.

Would I succeed in this? No idea.

What I'm getting at here is the following: is keeping quiet, per the advice of lawyers, really the best solution for APs? Does anyone have other thoughts on this? Is it really best to remain silent when asked about cash, even if you have $20K on you?

Again: I know this won't prevent a search or a trip downtown. I'm just curious as to what sorts of questions we should answer, and as to how little we should say without a lawyer present.

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Old August 14th, 2011, 12:37 PM
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Had it been me, I can't claim I would have kept my mouth shut. I find these situations scary.

I know full well that keeping quiet would not have prevented a search. I know that it might have meant longer than a 3-hour visit with the police.

Still, based on everything I have heard from legal experts, I would have tried to say nothing to the cops beyond "Here is my license and registration" and, when asked, "I do not consent to a search of my vehicle." I would have tried to say nothing to the cops at the station. I would have tried to say nothing to the DEA agent without a lawyer present. I would have not discussed anything with anyone - I would not have believed that I was released until I was in my car and driving away, because they can lie about absolutely anything when questioning you, including when they say "You're free to go."

For the record, I doubt I would have succeeded in keeping quiet.

I am not saying that you handled this stupidly - many intelligent people would not have handled it as well as you did.

What I am saying is that the advice of lawyers is to not say a damned thing to the police, whether you are innocent or guilty. If asked where you're going, say "Is there anything I can help you with, officer?" or say nothing.

You're only responsible for driver's license, registration, and insurance. If I had a weapon in the car, as I sometimes do, I would certainly answer that question truthfully. But I would aim to politely decline to answer any questions about cash or the purpose of my trip.

Would I succeed in this? No idea.

What I'm getting at here is the following: is keeping quiet, per the advice of lawyers, really the best solution for APs? Does anyone have other thoughts on this? Is it really best to remain silent when asked about cash, even if you have $20K on you?

Again: I know this won't prevent a search or a trip downtown. I'm just curious as to what sorts of questions we should answer, and as to how little we should say without a lawyer present.
Friendo,
I have lived with these issues my whole AP career. Keeping quiet , i dont think you have to IF..you are really prepared for these situations.
Sure your gonna run into jerks out there with attitudes, possibly keeping quiet would be a good thing if it looked like things could get out of hand. Better to talk a higher authority than a punk wearing a cop suit.
I think being able to "read " the situation at hand needs to come into play.
When that DEA guy stepped into the room....and told the other guy he could stay, i knew we were on the right track and this was gonna end nicely.
Now if this guy had all of a sudden got an attitude with me and tried something like you see on a "Cop " show,,,,, well i assure you i would have clammed up and got a lawyer right fast!!!!!
But there wasn't even a hint of this from any of these guys. And i think my demeanor helped them alot also. I'm a pretty laid back guy. It was kind of like a chess game, and we both knew it was gonna be a draw till we got to the station and figured out what was really going on.
It would be nice if a few of the other guys on this site would drop their two cents on some of their experiences with this stuff.
Also i got the feeling from talking to this agent that...they are running into this type of stuff alot more than they have in the past. Especially in areas with alot of casinos. I'm sure they are well aware of BJ players, Poker players, and the amounts of cash they do carry. I mean it is their business to know this stuff, they live it everyday. Especially if it is a Drug Task Force .
You got stopped twice Jackblack? Both at the ut/nv border.... yea them tinted windows tends to get them looking i think....
Again Friendo, i think just being fully prepared for the situation will turn most if not all of your stops into a short lived deal. They just need some decent proof that your not in the drug business. My next stop will be handled entirely differently and i'm betting it will be a 30 minute stop at the most, with a warning as to the bogus trumped up charges of why i was stopped.

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Old August 14th, 2011, 12:54 PM
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I know most wouldn't suggest this, but I would lie a little here. the risk/reward ratio is good for me. lie about the amount I have and I could either get off scott free or they could send me downtown and put me under a microscope with no real penalties.
I would highly RECOMMEND this!

I ALWAYS will tell them that I have about $1500 on me, and I'm here to spend money in their casinos. That almost ALWAYS works, and they just let me go on my way. I found out a long time ago that if you tell them that you have a large amount of cash, you're going to almost GUARANTEE problems for yourself!

I guess it's possible that some stupid cop MIGHT try charging you with a crime for lying to them (interfering with a police investigation?); but that's quite a stretch. The FIRST thing that he's required do do when he goes into the courtroom is to show probable cause as to why he even thought he had the right to ask you the question to BEGIN with. Case dismissed!
 

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