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Old August 14th, 2011, 01:04 PM
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I definitely want to talk more with Bob N about this when we have him on next time. Did you ask the agent if they train the dog to bark on command? It seems they must.

My understanding is that there was a supreme court ruling about these fishing expeditions, and the first thing you ask is, why did you pull me over. In your case he will say you didn't use your blinker. When he asks to search your car you say, what does that have to do with not using a blinker?

One thing I would highly recommend is that you record the entire conversation. As Bob pointed out in the interview this is a public conversation and there is no law against you recording it.

For anyone who did not hear the interview with Bob Nersesian you can hear it by clicking on the link to my blog below.
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Old August 14th, 2011, 01:20 PM
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Richard , i firmly believe the dogs are trained to bark on a covert command. I have a very close friend that went through the same thing as me. The dog got called when he refused to let them search. Dog comes and "ruff ruff". Nothing was found, 3 hrs on the freeway, didn't go to the station.
Also this same guy got stopped 6 months earlier and refused the search and nothing happened ,,no dog available and was let go on his merry way.
Yes by all means a interview with Bob would be great on this subject...although you guys did touch on some interesting things in last interview.
A step by step list on how to conduct yourself at a stop would be great!!!
I know i am practicing a backrooming as we speak......I almost want a good backrooming,,,, talk about a huge AP "play".....
Thanks !!!

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Old August 14th, 2011, 01:34 PM
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About 10 years ago I had a Missouri State trooper pull me over on I-40. He asked me to step out of the car so I did. As I was getting out, he had his hand on the door, and a set of keys in his hand. The keys made a jingling sound, so his pretense NOW was that; because he heard a "jingling" sound "inside" the door, he now had the right to search the entire car. Funny thing; he ended up looking everywhere inside the vehicle EXCEPT the door!

Cops are not my favorite people....
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Old August 14th, 2011, 01:44 PM
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I think you should sue them. It's ridiculous that this crap happens in a democracy, and it seems like the only way to fix it is to scare them into not searching law abiding citizens.
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Old August 14th, 2011, 01:47 PM
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I have a good friend/partner who just recently went through this - cost HIM about 30 grand.
Can you post any details about this? Does he have any recourse to get his money back?
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Old August 14th, 2011, 01:49 PM
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I think you should sue them. It's ridiculous that this crap happens in a democracy, and it seems like the only way to fix it is to scare them into not searching law abiding citizens.
Your right MOO, know a good lawyer???
But first ya gotta make absolutely sure you have all your ducks in a row !!!! Same with a good backrooming....
Anyone interested in settin up a store for a good backrooming???? There has to be some stores that are known for stupid stuff lie that...

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Old August 14th, 2011, 01:52 PM
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"ok well we have the right to bring our dog in and if he "hits " on the car we are allowed to search.
Are these dogs trained to smell cash?

How detailed are the searches? Can you get away with just hiding your money in a really good spot in your car?
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Old August 14th, 2011, 01:53 PM
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I've been told by several different attorneys that suing the police entails a much higher burden of proof than suing anyone else. You have the added responsibility to show that their actions were malicious rather than just negligent. Suing a casino is a different story; much easier than suing the cops.

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Old August 14th, 2011, 01:59 PM
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Can you post any details about this? Does he have any recourse to get his money back?
It's been more than 6 months & he still doesn't have the money back. But it appears that he WILL get it back - minus attorney fees.

Rather not give out any more details, other than to say that it was Arizona Highway Patrol.
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Old August 14th, 2011, 02:02 PM
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Are these dogs trained to smell cash?

How detailed are the searches? Can you get away with just hiding your money in a really good spot in your car?
Duane,
I suspect that they are trained to smell cash........Have you ever smelled money.......it stinks!!!
so i'm sure a dog has no problem smelling money.
As far as them searching my car at the station, seemed to be fairly thorough. I had to put a few plastic pieces back on in the rear area. They pulled up my back seats... But door panels hadn't been bothered...they looked in the engine compartment, because a rag i had stuffed on the side was in a different position.
I certainly wouldnt hide money. If you havent listend to Richard Munchkins interview....do it!
Very interesting with respect to ziplock bagging your money...

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