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Old August 31st, 2011, 01:13 PM
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Glen beck just espouses the emotional rhetoric people want to hear. You know who else did that?
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Old August 31st, 2011, 01:31 PM
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Glen beck just espouses the emotional rhetoric people want to hear. You know who else did that?
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And every politician and pundit who ever walked the face of the earth. Comparing Glenn Beck with Hitler is like comparing Obama with Hitler-- please, it should never be done, no matter how much you despise his positions, unless you're talking about someone like Stalin or Mao Tse-tung.
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Old August 31st, 2011, 01:36 PM
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I wish all tea party activists and fox viewers would come to web forums and have their ideas all held to the fire. I think the reason they favor decisions at the state level is so their ideas won't be scrutinized by the entire world. the rich can't fool everyone but they can hoodwink these less concerned (educated) populations for the life of a career. "business friendly approach is what lowered the unemployment rate in my area! (actually war and government jobs did. But if you put people to work by making our infrastructure closer to that of the rest of the first world then your a socialist!) Let apple build roads if they like them so much!
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Old August 31st, 2011, 01:37 PM
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And every politician and pundit who ever walked the face of the earth. Comparing Glenn Beck with Hitler is like comparing Obama with Hitler-- please, it should never be done, no matter how much you despise his positions, unless you're talking about someone like Stalin or Mao Tse-tung.
Then again, Beck often compares Obama and others with Hitler. One of his favorite comparisons. In a stunning statement, he said the Norwegian camp attacked by right-wing extremist Anders Breivik was a Hitler Youth Camp. He said this about the 70-some children that were slaughtered immediately after the act.
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Old August 31st, 2011, 01:51 PM
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And every politician and pundit who ever walked the face of the earth. Comparing Glenn Beck with Hitler is like comparing Obama with Hitler-- please, it should never be done, no matter how much you despise his positions, unless you're talking about someone like Stalin or Mao Tse-tung.
my apologies,i thought you'd seen his show. Anyone who has would know that he was famous for doing this every week and know that I was being ironic. he is the only person cited in wiki as an example of someone who fours this frequently

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_Hitlerum


Facts keep having a liberal bias no?
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Old August 31st, 2011, 10:21 PM
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Old August 31st, 2011, 10:48 PM
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Then again, Beck often compares Obama and others with Hitler. One of his favorite comparisons. In a stunning statement, he said the Norwegian camp attacked by right-wing extremist Anders Breivik was a Hitler Youth Camp. He said this about the 70-some children that were slaughtered immediately after the act.
I am not an apologist for Beck and I know nothing of the slaughter except what I read or see in the media.

As for Beck comparing people to Hitler, I have seen it in an indirect way, like including them all in a list of statists, but not directly, or doing so in a comic way, but not seriously. The connotations are simply too stark to be making such comparisons unless you have proof beyond a reasonable doubt of Obama sharing in some of the more evil views of Hitler, like elimination of the Jewish race. If he did it, it was either very poor taste or delusional.
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my apologies,i thought you'd seen his show. Anyone who has would know that he was famous for doing this every week and know that I was being ironic. he is the only person cited in wiki as an example of someone who fours this frequently

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_Hitlerum


Facts keep having a liberal bias no?
I've seen some of his shows. I didn't like it when his remarks turned more to religion. I like my political pundits to stick to politics as much as possible. And I like my religious leaders to stay out of politics as much as possible unless their is a moral issue that has relevance to the political process.

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Old August 31st, 2011, 10:54 PM
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Old September 3rd, 2011, 10:22 PM
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Gee, so you know that allowing banking and wall street companies to fail will throw 300 million Americans out of work, and a few billion others? Yes, you must be right. Because the economic gurus who dance to the tune of the wealthiest of the wealthy say that there would be a meltdown, then that makes it a fact. It may just be the old burning platform gimmick. If you want to motivate people to conform to what you want, create for them a burning platform so that they will be willing to jump into the sea. I learned that one working with Andersen Consulting, and they were very adept at it.

But even if it were true that there would be a general meltdown, does the general welfare mean allowing crooks to reign supreme, and companies to rob the citizenry blind without accountability. Oh, how the mighty have fallen! Does the general welfare mean giving the CEOs of the failing companies carte blanche to spend the taxpayers money as they see fit, rewarding themselves in spite of the fact that they were responsible for the abuses and excesses that led to failure?

Whenever a business fails, it leads to economic hardship for employees and others related to the failing business. Does that mean the government should step in? Not directly. Free enterprise must be respected. And free enterprises must not be taught to take undue risks relying on the government to save them (observe Fannie Mae). Bad business practices should be met with real consequences, not bailouts. And the magnitude of the problem does not make it any more a government problem. People out of work are a government concern, but not ensuring that free enterprise never fails. It is government's job to help citizens in need by extending a helping hand, and businesses in need by creating a favorable climate for their success.

The banking/wall street bailout falls right into the hands of the corporatists. And the takeover of GM is setting ourselves up for a government takeover some day that does not mean well, a government takeover of businesses by design to obtain power and to exploit that power. Either could spell the end of our free enterprise system, and the decline of freedom.

If we let a business fail, it might just expose the rot in the system that unanswered would eventually subject all to a hopeless modern day feudalism. You know the rich can't just keep getting richer and the poor poorer without in the end becoming the very few "haves" ruling over the very many "have nots". They will buy the middle class off every step of the way until they no longer have a need for them. It's our choice, comfort or freedom. We as citizens should be ruling our own fate, but if the good life buys one off from seeing what the same system that rewards us is doing to the several billions on the earth today, then all may be lost. We are all in the same boat. We need to stop throwing the weak passengers off the boat to save the Captain and his crew. If we go down, we should all go down together. But just maybe we can all survive together if we work for the common good and not the privileged classes, the rich.

Hmmm. Maybe that's what the general welfare in the Constitution means. Maybe we should stop cow-towing to the rich and make them accountable. Equal justice. No privileged class. Wouldn't that be novel?
If a company is too big to fail then it is simply too big. Rather than bailing out a dead weight break it up into smaller companies. This would require more employees in total, inspire more innovation and create more competition which is always better for us, the consumers. It is a win, win , win. I don't know why people are so gullible. Maintaining a failed status quo is not good for the general welfare it is only good for those on top of the pyramid. Breaking up the monsters that are destroying us is the obvious solution. Lots of new jobs. Specialization into necessary areas of development. A race to see who will dominate the market with the best improvements over the failed corporate model. Why do people lack the ability to see that small businesses hire the most new employees. It is born out in all the statistics. Break the company up into each plant as an individual company and give incentives for other plants to open in new areas.

Zero percent government loans to innovate in hybrid car plants as a specialty for the new plants. In no time we could lead the world in these areas if the competitive spirit is unleashed. The auto industry is famous for blocking innovation so they don't have to spend money retooling their factories. There has been a history of cooperation between companies here. How terrible would that be. Hire Americans to make the new machinery, build the new assembly lines and man the new factories. Then we can lead the world with the new state of the art facilities. It is a no brainer unless you are the ultra rich guys who risk their position in the pyramid as opportunity abounds for new people to take a large share of the industry they monopolize. This scares them into hiring economists to say what they want. They have the money to pay for "expert" yes men economists and the connections to make sure they hold the positions of power to be hailed as the gurus. It is obvious to the objective eye. To try the same stuff that got us in this mess and trust the bankers, economists and business leaders that plotted our course to were we are today is lunacy but so many parrot the party line to maintain the status quo that change is almost impossible.
 

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