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Old September 17th, 2011, 07:10 PM
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Hey guys!

I've been using KO for a while now and feel that I master it. Time to move forward. What is the best counting-system for this game?

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dealer hits on Soft 17 (H17), double any two cards, double after splitting allowed (DAS), no resplit aces, surrendering allowed

What spread shall I use? 1-5?

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Old September 17th, 2011, 07:28 PM
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Hey guys!

I've been using KO for a while now and feel that I master it. Time to move forward. What is the best counting-system for this game?

2decks

dealer hits on Soft 17 (H17), double any two cards, double after splitting allowed (DAS), no resplit aces, surrendering allowed

What spread shall I use? 1-5?

/AnonymousCC
HIOPT II wins hands down. Even without the ace side count it is the most effective but few use it without it anyway.
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Old September 17th, 2011, 07:30 PM
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I agree
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Old September 17th, 2011, 07:34 PM
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HIOPT II wins hands down. Even without the ace side count it is the most effective but few use it without it anyway.
What do you mean with "wins hands down"?

I will buy Blackjack Attack next week and start to practice.

Thank you.
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Old September 17th, 2011, 07:36 PM
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Thinks halves beats hi op II, without A side count.

Think halves is the best without A side count.
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Old September 17th, 2011, 07:38 PM
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Thinks halves beats hi op II, without A side count.

Think halves is the best without A side count.
I guess you definitely answered my question, but Wong Halves seems a little bit hard to me. Thanks anyway.
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Old September 17th, 2011, 07:44 PM
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If halves seems hard then probably best not to try an A side count. Do you use a current count? Hi lo is perfectly sound.

If you already know a count, most likely best to stick with it.
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Old September 17th, 2011, 07:48 PM
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If halves seems hard then probably best not to try an A side count. Do you use a current count? Hi lo is perfectly sound.

If you already know a count, most likely best to stick with it.
I'm using Knock-Out right now. Do you think it is good enough or is it a good idea to learn something more advanced? I have no problem with KO at all.

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Old September 17th, 2011, 07:50 PM
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HIOPT II wins hands down.
tthree is right. See attached for one of the most comprehensive comparisons ever.

http://www.qfit.com/book/ModernBlackjackPage192.htm

Although this comparison was done with the side count. I doubt it would beat Halves without the side count, but that would need to be simmed.
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Old September 17th, 2011, 07:51 PM
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I'm using Knock-Out right now. Do you think it is good enough or is it a good idea to learn something more advanced? I have no problem with KO at all.

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HIOPT II is no easier than halves. KO is adequate but relatively weak. The fewer decks the stronger the more advanced counts become. If all you play is SD and DD, I would strongly suggest a more advanced count.
 

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