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Old September 24th, 2011, 10:55 PM
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Was playing at the Isle in Biloxi and the dealer stated they where getting new felts on October 15 because they are going from S17 to H17
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Old September 25th, 2011, 08:46 AM
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Was playing at the Isle in Biloxi and the dealer stated they where getting new felts on October 15 because they are going from S17 to H17
All but hi-limit rooms will be hit 17. This is really signalling the end of BJ as a game that can be somewhat easily beaten, and will wash out more wanna-be counters than anything ever before.

The curtain is coming down, little things here and there, and then real big things like h-17, once reserved for only sd games, now on CSM and multi deck and 6.5.

For those who care to argue the fact, look at the math between h-17 and s-17.

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Old September 25th, 2011, 10:43 AM
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All but hi-limit rooms will be hit 17. This is really signalling the end of BJ as a game that can be somewhat easily beaten, and will wash out more wanna-be counters than anything ever before.

The curtain is coming down, little things here and there, and then real big things like h-17, once reserved for only sd games, now on CSM and multi deck and 6.5.

For those who care to argue the fact, look at the math between h-17 and s-17.

CP
What reason I had to make the 8 hour drive to the coast is quickly going away. The last time I was at the Isle the pen on 4D had worsened; JOB QQ was MIA; and SD was RO5 or 4 if a lot of cards had been dealt. Just a couple of decent BJ opportunities remain; couple of progressives (if you are lucky enough to be there when positive); and a couple of other AP opportunities here and there.

Need to look close at expenses to see if it's worth the trip.
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Old September 25th, 2011, 02:05 PM
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The more these casinos "tighten up" the less gamblers will play, with the less they play casinos will become more desperate and "tweak it up" a notch, the more the casinos "tweak it up" a notch the more gamblers will become discouraged and play less or stop playing, seeing the futility of it all. Most gamblers are not going to go with, "Gee, I should bring more money since the house has increased the odds in their favor so now I have to bring more money to play the same period of time". They are going to bring the same amount of money and play less is all. They are going to lose more quickly and therefore be more discouraged to come back any time soon, if anything.

At the point that NOBODY wins EVER other than the casino is when it's no longer "entertainment" for the casino patrons. Jacking up HA in hopes of this causing gamblers to spend more money will have the opposite effect. The "beancounters" don't seem to realize that your typical gambler is not going to bring more money to the casino to compensate for increased HA. They will merely lose their money faster, which has a detrimental psychological effect on the gambler making them think that it's impossible to win at all... ever.

In discussions with people playing in the casinos I've heard about this first hand. I was talking to a woman that plays slots and videopoker sometime back and she talked at length about her personal gambling experiences. She used to have the premier player's card for the casino, play often at higher denominations, etc. The casino adorned her with offers, gifts and the works and she claims to have actually won here and there although she still took a huge loss in the overall. She noticed that over a few years that she was winning less and losing more often, so she backed down from spending as much gradually, describing her play.

Now the big picture on what happened with this woman. She was a premier player dropping about $20,000.00 a year on gambling. She was happy because she won once in a while and was lavished in amenities. She noticed that she was winning less often and then noticed that (on statements from the casino) that she lost $40,000 for the year one year recently, with the same amount of money played for roughly the same amount of time spent at the casino. Now she plays low denomination (5 cents & 25 cents) video poker, has the lowest level player's card, puts very little into the machines since she KNOWS FOR A FACT that she will lose and just doesn't seem to ever win once in a while like she used to and questions to herself and others why she plays at all. She has dropped down to visiting the casino once a month with $200.00 and is thinking of cutting that out also since it's so discouraging and things are just "not what they used to be" for her. I don't know much about those machines but I guess they replaced enough machines with newer machines that did a harder "gouge" to cause this woman to lose all faith that she might win a little something back once in a great while? In any case, she is seeing futility in what was once great fun for her.

Good job you idiot bean-counters! You lost this woman who was a happy gambler spending a lot of money, that's for sure. Hike up that HA some more so you can have an empty casino you dipsh*ts!hahahaa Word of mouth travels a long way these days also. If you make it impossible for anyone at all to win no one will play. Add H17 to increase HA by a fifth of a percentage point and maybe no one is going to notice? They are going to notice and you are shooting for a short-term gain that guarantees long term losses.

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Old September 25th, 2011, 03:21 PM
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The more these casinos "tighten up" the less gamblers will play, with the less they play casinos will become more desperate and "tweak it up" a notch, the more the casinos "tweak it up" a notch the more gamblers will become discouraged and play less or stop playing, seeing the futility of it all. Most gamblers are not going to go with, "Gee, I should bring more money since the house has increased the odds in their favor so now I have to bring more money to play the same period of time". They are going to bring the same amount of money and play less is all. They are going to lose more quickly and therefore be more discouraged to come back any time soon, if anything.

At the point that NOBODY wins EVER other than the casino is when it's no longer "entertainment" for the casino patrons. Jacking up HA in hopes of this causing gamblers to spend more money will have the opposite effect. The "beancounters" don't seem to realize that your typical gambler is not going to bring more money to the casino to compensate for increased HA. They will merely lose their money faster, which has a detrimental psychological effect on the gambler making them think that it's impossible to win at all... ever.

In discussions with people playing in the casinos I've heard about this first hand. I was talking to a woman that plays slots and videopoker sometime back and she talked at length about her personal gambling experiences. She used to have the premier player's card for the casino, play often at higher denominations, etc. The casino adorned her with offers, gifts and the works and she claims to have actually won here and there although she still took a huge loss in the overall. She noticed that over a few years that she was winning less and losing more often, so she backed down from spending as much gradually, describing her play.

Now the big picture on what happened with this woman. She was a premier player dropping about $20,000.00 a year on gambling. She was happy because she won once in a while and was lavished in amenities. She noticed that she was winning less often and then noticed that (on statements from the casino) that she lost $40,000 for the year one year recently, with the same amount of money played for roughly the same amount of time spent at the casino. Now she plays low denomination (5 cents & 25 cents) video poker, has the lowest level player's card, puts very little into the machines since she KNOWS FOR A FACT that she will lose and just doesn't seem to ever win once in a while like she used to and questions to herself and others why she plays at all. She has dropped down to visiting the casino once a month with $200.00 and is thinking of cutting that out also since it's so discouraging and things are just "not what they used to be" for her. I don't know much about those machines but I guess they replaced enough machines with newer machines that did a harder "gouge" to cause this woman to lose all faith that she might win a little something back once in a great while? In any case, she is seeing futility in what was once great fun for her.

Good job you idiot bean-counters! You lost this woman who was a happy gambler spending a lot of money, that's for sure. Hike up that HA some more so you can have an empty casino you dipsh*ts!hahahaa Word of mouth travels a long way these days also. If you make it impossible for anyone at all to win no one will play. Add H17 to increase HA by a fifth of a percentage point and maybe no one is going to notice? They are going to notice and you are shooting for a short-term gain that guarantees long term losses.
You are so right they are burning their customer base.
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Old September 25th, 2011, 07:26 PM
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The more these casinos "tighten up" the less gamblers will play, with the less they play casinos will become more desperate and "tweak it up" a notch, the more the casinos "tweak it up" a notch the more gamblers will become discouraged and play less or stop playing, seeing the futility of it all. Most gamblers are not going to go with, "Gee, I should bring more money since the house has increased the odds in their favor so now I have to bring more money to play the same period of time". They are going to bring the same amount of money and play less is all. They are going to lose more quickly and therefore be more discouraged to come back any time soon, if anything.

At the point that NOBODY wins EVER other than the casino is when it's no longer "entertainment" for the casino patrons. Jacking up HA in hopes of this causing gamblers to spend more money will have the opposite effect. The "beancounters" don't seem to realize that your typical gambler is not going to bring more money to the casino to compensate for increased HA. They will merely lose their money faster, which has a detrimental psychological effect on the gambler making them think that it's impossible to win at all... ever.

In discussions with people playing in the casinos I've heard about this first hand. I was talking to a woman that plays slots and videopoker sometime back and she talked at length about her personal gambling experiences. She used to have the premier player's card for the casino, play often at higher denominations, etc. The casino adorned her with offers, gifts and the works and she claims to have actually won here and there although she still took a huge loss in the overall. She noticed that over a few years that she was winning less and losing more often, so she backed down from spending as much gradually, describing her play.

Now the big picture on what happened with this woman. She was a premier player dropping about $20,000.00 a year on gambling. She was happy because she won once in a while and was lavished in amenities. She noticed that she was winning less often and then noticed that (on statements from the casino) that she lost $40,000 for the year one year recently, with the same amount of money played for roughly the same amount of time spent at the casino. Now she plays low denomination (5 cents & 25 cents) video poker, has the lowest level player's card, puts very little into the machines since she KNOWS FOR A FACT that she will lose and just doesn't seem to ever win once in a while like she used to and questions to herself and others why she plays at all. She has dropped down to visiting the casino once a month with $200.00 and is thinking of cutting that out also since it's so discouraging and things are just "not what they used to be" for her. I don't know much about those machines but I guess they replaced enough machines with newer machines that did a harder "gouge" to cause this woman to lose all faith that she might win a little something back once in a great while? In any case, she is seeing futility in what was once great fun for her.

Good job you idiot bean-counters! You lost this woman who was a happy gambler spending a lot of money, that's for sure. Hike up that HA some more so you can have an empty casino you dipsh*ts!hahahaa Word of mouth travels a long way these days also. If you make it impossible for anyone at all to win no one will play. Add H17 to increase HA by a fifth of a percentage point and maybe no one is going to notice? They are going to notice and you are shooting for a short-term gain that guarantees long term losses.
I wish you are right but there will be always people think gambling is an entertianment and also people hoping their lives could be changed if they hit that jackpot and most of them know that the chance of hitting that jackpot is slimer than getting hit by lightening, so people won't stop going to casinos. The casinos around me are pretty much all H17 except for HL rooms, and tables are still all packed. Simply increase the HE will not hurt their profit.
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Old September 26th, 2011, 08:47 AM
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I wish you are right but there will be always people think gambling is an entertianment
Flash is 100% correct. And you are also correct. But if and when the patronage drops off by even as little as 5%; that makes a HUGE dent in the casinos bottom line.

What's going on is pretty much a result of the Peter Principal. Some idiot thinks up a way to temporarily increase profits; he gets a promotion because of it; and when the customer base finally DOES fall off on account of this new policy; the idiot gets off scot free. His REPLACEMENT somehow gets the blame!

If no one EVER wins, there will soon be NO casinos at ALL.

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