A few questions about 86ing...

[bj21abc]

That's a good question.

If the casino is acting belligerent - will they let you grab all your chips as you walk away ?

I assume that if they are mostly black chips, they should be easy to cash out at another store...

Originally Posted by AussiePlayer

Everyone always says, when you get the tap, grab your chips and head straight for the door. Can the casino stop you from coming back later to cash those chips in? Or can they refuse to cash them for you?

[Wookets]

Originally Posted by AussiePlayer

Everyone always says, when you get the tap, grab your chips and head straight for the door. Can the casino stop you from coming back later to cash those chips in? Or can they refuse to cash them for you?

They might try to refuse. Just give them to a friend and let them do it if there's any doubt.

[FLASH1296]

I lost the link, but a Choctaw casino in Philadelphia, MS (I believe)
took ALL of an alleged Card Counter's chips from him, NOT just his
winnings, and ejected him from the premises.

Of course, he has NO recourse in dealing with a sovereign nation
outside of normal state / municipal jurisdiction.

[blackjack avenger]

Originally Posted by FLASH1296

I lost the link, but a Choctaw casino in Philadelphia, MS (I believe)
took ALL of an alleged Card Counter's chips from him, NOT just his
winnings, and ejected him from the premises.

Of course, he has NO recourse in dealing with a sovereign nation
outside of normal state / municipal jurisdiction.

Any idea his bet size or the amount of chips?

Seems the minimal buy in argument has some merit.

[FLASH1296]

"Seems the minimal buy in argument has some merit."

Huh ?

[blackjack avenger]

Originally Posted by FLASH1296

"Seems the minimal buy in argument has some merit."

Huh ?

Referencing recent threads:
How not to be a target, of robbery
How much to buy in for
How much to cash out

More anecdotes supporting minimal buy ins.

[Sucker]

Originally Posted by FLASH1296

Of course, he has NO recourse in dealing with a sovereign nation
outside of normal state / municipal jurisdiction.

Canada is a sovereign nation. So if I go into a business in Canada and the business owner robs me or commits some other crime against me, that means that I have NO recourse? Why is that so many of the senior members of this forum insist on painting such a dire picture of a person's legal rights while on an Indian reservation?

While it's true that you may encounter more difficulty; it's ABSURD to say that you have NO recourse. Fact is; there have been HUNDREDS of successful lawsuits against Indian casinos.

[Automatic Monkey]

Originally Posted by Sucker

Canada is a sovereign nation. So if I go into a business in Canada and the business owner robs me or commits some other crime against me, that means that I have NO recourse? Why is that so many of the senior members of this forum insist on painting such a dire picture of a person's legal rights while on an Indian reservation?

While it's true that you may encounter more difficulty; it's ABSURD to say that you have NO recourse. Fact is; there have been HUNDREDS of successful lawsuits against Indian casinos.

Canada is a sovereign nation under rule of law. Some reservations are run that way, and on others all that exists of the tribe and its government is the casino. The Cherokees just expelled all of their Negro tribal members; does that sound to you like a system under which you or I could expect to be treated fairly?

Also do not mix criminal and civil law. No they cannot get away with robbing you in an Indian casino. Failing to pay a jackpot is a civil matter and your rights are much more limited.

[FLASH1296]

Canada has a long-standing treaty with the U S A re: jurisprudence in civil / criminal matters.

Therefore, an American can receive due process in a Canadian court and vice versa.

There is no avenue to bring a lawsuit or so much as issue a summons on a reservation.

The U S Supreme Court, (about 30 yrs. ago), ruled (unanimously) that even commonplace

constitutional rights do NOT extend to incidents occurring on sovereign native land.

Sucker's statement: " ... there have been HUNDREDS of successful lawsuits against Indian casinos."

is absolutely, positively, utterly, unreservedly false.

Note: Lest you imagine that I am prejudiced, my wife is part Cherokee.

[Sucker]

Originally Posted by Automatic Monkey

Also do not mix criminal and civil law. No they cannot get away with robbing you in an Indian casino.

You're putting words into my mouth - I was referring the criminal act that Flash mentioned, in which a card counter was robbed by the Silver Star casino, and his statement that the person had NO recourse. On the subject of CIVIL law; of COURSE I agree that it's harder to sue Indians in Tribal Court than stateside, but it's nowhere NEAR hopeless. I personally know two different people who have won their cases against Indian casinos.

Sucker's statement: " ... there have been HUNDREDS of successful lawsuits against Indian casinos."
is absolutely, positively, utterly, unreservedly false.

If you don't believe this - all you have to do is just Google "Indian casino lawsuits" - you may learn something!

Most American Indians are just like anyone else - honorable, fair-minded people, and will do the right thing. They are not the savages that some of you guys seem to be portraying.