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Old October 16th, 2011, 07:27 PM
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Hey guys, here a poker hand that I had yesterday that I would like some feedback on.

This is a $2/$5 game and we are effectively $800 deep.

I raise 22 UTG and I get 2 callers that have position on me.

The flop comes 2d9cTd
I bet $50 into $65.
MP folds, CO calls (Note: CO is a pretty big fish).

The turn comes Qd
and I bet $120 in $165 and CO calls.

River comes 3d with a pot of $405.

What is the best play here?

I raised UTG, so I can represent a big diamond fairly easily, mostly big pocket pairs, but the CO also has some big diamonds in his range: AT, A9, KT, K9, JQ, JK (maybe, although he could raise the turn), JJ... Hes a fish so can he fold J high?

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Old October 16th, 2011, 09:53 PM
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Fold preflop.

As played check/fold river.
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Old October 16th, 2011, 10:09 PM
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Raising UG seems pretty loose with 22. What are the stack sizes to start?
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Old October 16th, 2011, 10:31 PM
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I said in the op that we are $800 deep. But fold PF? Lol that is definitely not happening. Even limping is super weak. This isn't kiddie poker :P
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Old October 17th, 2011, 05:02 AM
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The reason limping small pocket pairs is inferior, is because with raising, you now have 2 ways to win: catching the set or making them fold with a cbet. This is a game where aggression wins. Maybe for players who just want to play tight with a moderate win rate can fold pocket pairs, but my UTG range includes all pocket pairs and essentially any suited connectors. I may fold if I feel nitty or maybe limp 1/4 times, but these are strong hands and when playing deep, catching draws is where a huge amount of money is made.
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Old October 17th, 2011, 08:29 AM
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I have to agree with ponyprincess- fold preflop unless you are playing with fewer players.
You never specified?
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Old October 17th, 2011, 10:55 AM
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guys, obviously the OP is asking how to play a small PP and especially in this situation. so quit saying to fold because that's not the advice he's looking for. nothing wrong with having small PPs in your range. And No, that's not a double entendre!!!

UTG huh? Well the CO is a fish, and I'm assuming the table is very loose.

I would think that this all depends on how much of a fish I think the guy is. If he's a great big bluefin tuna, you're in trouble. He's a calling station and won't fold. Better check and hope he has just 2 pair or lower.

If you've beaten him up real bad a few times on earlier hands, he might have learned his lesson. I've never met a fish who played a few hours at my table learn at least this lesson real quick. he's only been calling because he's afraid of you. Fire the third barrel at potsize because now there's the chance he will fold.

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Old October 17th, 2011, 10:56 AM
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If you bet the river I don't see any hand in his range that you can beat if he calls the river bet. So if you bet he is either folding when you win or calling or reraising when you lose. So I would check, and either fold or call when he bets depending on the size of his bet and what info you have gathered on him so far.

Are you asking if you think he can lay down a middling flush if you make a big bet? I guess that depends on what kind of fish he is. A lot of fish won't fold any flush.
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Old October 17th, 2011, 11:10 AM
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Oh wait, you mean in the actual hand he turned over Jh, and you want to know if he would fold that? No, he won't fold unless you go all in, which is too aggressive playing for me.
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Old October 17th, 2011, 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by tezzadiver View Post
I have to agree with ponyprincess- fold preflop unless you are playing with fewer players.
You never specified?
I guess I just totally disagree. It was a 9 handed table, but I'll raise it 10 handed too. The reason it is suggested to fold those kinds of hands in EP is because playing drawing hands OOP is not as easy is playing it IP, especially when you are probably beat or chopping preflop. However, I can tell you that a strong player's skill can overcome the card and positional disadvantage of probably 90% of the player pool fairly easily. This isn't online, this is fish in a barrel

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If you bet the river I don't see any hand in his range that you can beat if he calls the river bet. So if you bet he is either folding when you win or calling or reraising when you lose. So I would check, and either fold or call when he bets depending on the size of his bet and what info you have gathered on him so far.

Are you asking if you think he can lay down a middling flush if you make a big bet? I guess that depends on what kind of fish he is. A lot of fish won't fold any flush.
The river bet would be a bluff, not a value bet. The question is not only IF he can lay down a flush, but also how likely he is holding a flush and how big of a flush he can lay down if he has one.

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guys, obviously the OP is asking how to play a small PP and especially in this situation. so quit saying to fold because that's not the advice he's looking for. nothing wrong with having small PPs in your range. And No, that's not a double entendre!!!

UTG huh? Well the CO is a fish, and I'm assuming the table is very loose.

I would think that this all depends on how much of a fish I think the guy is. If he's a great big bluefin tuna, you're in trouble. He's a calling station and won't fold. Better check and hope he has just 2 pair or lower.

If you've beaten him up real bad a few times on earlier hands, he might have learned his lesson. I've never met a fish who played a few hours at my table learn at least this lesson real quick. he's only been calling because he's afraid of you. Fire the third barrel at potsize because now there's the chance he will fold.

Oh wait, you mean in the actual hand he turned over Jh, and you want to know if he would fold that? No, he won't fold unless you go all in, which is too aggressive playing for me.
He did not have the Jd

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