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Old October 17th, 2011, 05:05 PM
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what about the 5 other players beside him that all act after you? You know your game and your players so i can see you are comfortable with this, but what are you doing with 22 when someone comes over the top at you?
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Old October 17th, 2011, 05:13 PM
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Depends on the situation. It could possibly be a call with an aggro tourney short stacker who squeezes after a few callers, but 90% it's a fold :/

It's also different if it's a reg battle
The thing about playing live in Vegas is that players don't catch on to your tendencies because te players always change. When you play these games, you can see that loose 3 betting preflop is uncommon and 4 betting loose is almost almost only AA and KK (sometimes QQ and AK)

Edit: this is about 2/5, I'm not extremely familiar with 5/10. Also different for 1/2

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Old October 17th, 2011, 05:29 PM
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The thing about playing live in Vegas is that players don't catch on to your tendencies because te players always change. When you play these games, you can see that loose 3 betting preflop is uncommon and 4 betting loose is almost almost only AA and KK (sometimes QQ and AK)

Edit: this is about 2/5, I'm not extremely familiar with 5/10. Also different for 1/2
You should hit AC. It is a sea of grey hair. Flinch at your chips and they are ready to fold.
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Old October 17th, 2011, 10:45 PM
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I know this isn't what the topic started as but realistically you are going to lose a lot of money on hands like small pocket pairs and suited connectors UTG at a full table in the long run. Even against total droolers you'd be lucky if they broke even.

It's even worse against people you have no reads on if you think about how unbalanced your range is and how often you miss flops like dry Kxx, Axx are they calling preflop with K7s? Are check folding those flops or are you barrelling two streets? Three? It's really, really tough to make it profitable.
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Old October 17th, 2011, 11:14 PM
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I know this isn't what the topic started as but realistically you are going to lose a lot of money on hands like small pocket pairs and suited connectors UTG at a full table in the long run. Even against total droolers you'd be lucky if they broke even.

It's even worse against people you have no reads on if you think about how unbalanced your range is and how often you miss flops like dry Kxx, Axx are they calling preflop with K7s? Are check folding those flops or are you barrelling two streets? Three? It's really, really tough to make it profitable.
Lol I am cbetting those flops all the time. And yes, following can be a variety of double/triple barrels, check raises,... It all depends whats on the board and the range of hands I am able to represent. Poker is about representing hands, not just playing the ones you have

It's true, my cbetting range is quite unbalanced towards bluffs. However, like I said, this isn't like online where you are trying to balance and polarize ranges. the game I play right now is admittedly quite exploitable, but strongly +ev against players who aren't very good. It's averaging ~27 BB/100, so it can't be that bad

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Old October 18th, 2011, 05:58 AM
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the game I play right now is admittedly quite exploitable, but strongly +ev against players who aren't very good. It's averaging ~27 BB/100, so it can't be that bad
That's 1 less than 28 BB/100.
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Old October 18th, 2011, 08:07 AM
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This game you're in sounds like a magical wonderland of weak-tight fish. I'm just telling you, you REALLY aren't giving up that much folding stuff like that out of position especially deeper than 100bb's and most likely are losers in the long run.

Maybe I'm just too used to playing online and last time I played for a living live was 6month-year ago and it was 5/10, 10/20.

But even if it was a slight profit after beating the rake (which is extra bad because if it is profitable it's because you're winning a lot of small pots) you get put into **** spots like the OP. How do you play that hand if you have 67h? Maybe everyone is a total drooler in the games you play but against anyone good you really only have sets, KJ, diamonds, AdX or air after the turn.
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Old October 18th, 2011, 01:15 PM
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Sleight, do you actually count the number of hands you play per session? And how many hands per hour are you getting in live games?
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Old October 18th, 2011, 03:54 PM
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Not sure what it means, but this is the 666th thread in this sub-forum.
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Old October 19th, 2011, 04:21 AM
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This game you're in sounds like a magical wonderland of weak-tight fish. I'm just telling you, you REALLY aren't giving up that much folding stuff like that out of position especially deeper than 100bb's and most likely are losers in the long run.

Maybe I'm just too used to playing online and last time I played for a living live was 6month-year ago and it was 5/10, 10/20.

But even if it was a slight profit after beating the rake (which is extra bad because if it is profitable it's because you're winning a lot of small pots) you get put into **** spots like the OP. How do you play that hand if you have 67h? Maybe everyone is a total drooler in the games you play but against anyone good you really only have sets, KJ, diamonds, AdX or air after the turn.
Maybe ur right. Its too bad that we cant log all our hands into a database to see win rates lol.

I would play 67h either as a bet/fold flop check/fold turn or just a check/fold on the flop. I have a gutshot, which is not bad to cbet with, but the button is pretty fishy and I prob don't have too much fold equity. The turn hits a lot of his range and I doubt hes ever folding with that turn. I LOVE to play my sets like my straight flush draws, but vs this fish, I didn't think I would be able to get a fold, so I checked it.

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Sleight, do you actually count the number of hands you play per session? And how many hands per hour are you getting in live games?
No, I don't count the hands, but I estimate that each hand takes about 2 min on average, meaning 30 hands/hr. The dealers at MGM are pretty decent and they use automatic shuffle machines which speeds it up a bit.
 

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