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Old October 27th, 2011, 11:28 PM
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Lightbulb Hi. Where should I start? Texas hold'em.

I have been thinking about getting into poker. I can personally read people like a book.

Do I start with pairs and 3 suit after flop. Betting no more than 3x pot unless I am betting and have no less than 4 suited, 3 of a kind, 2 pair, or 1 to draw a straight after flop.

I'll get into odds later. After I learn odds I am going tolearn more complex bets. Then bluffs. nJust want to start it simple to beat my buddies when we get together. Then I can get into veral mathematics when I am trying to read the other players for bluffs.

I'll get into outs when I force them to play better or they just dont let me play. Remember them like Basic strategy in blackjack.

I guess I learned blackjack first because it seemed like more of a challenge for me.

Cheers.

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Old October 28th, 2011, 07:06 AM
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I have been thinking about getting into poker. I can personally read people like a book.

Do I start with pairs and 3 suit after flop. Betting no more than 3x pot unless I am betting and have no less than 4 suited, 3 of a kind, 2 pair, or 1 to draw a straight after flop.

I'll get into odds later. After I learn odds I am going tolearn more complex bets. Then bluffs. nJust want to start it simple to beat my buddies when we get together. Then I can get into veral mathematics when I am trying to read the other players for bluffs.

I'll get into outs when I force them to play better or they just dont let me play. Remember them like Basic strategy in blackjack.

I guess I learned blackjack first because it seemed like more of a challenge for me.

Cheers.
If you have never played Hold em before, I don't recommend going to a casino for a while. I don't care if you think you can "read people like a book", when money is involved it's a different ball game. Read some books on poker. Start with the basics. Doyle's Power Poker is a good start. It will give you ranks of hands you should open with, and you will learn about position. When you first start you're not even going to be thinking about tells because you're going to be so focused on what you have. Then (hopefully) after a while you will start to realize what you have and start to think about what other people in the hand have... then after you've got that down, you will start to think about what other people think you have etc. I'll give you a quick formula for outs. Flop - mulitply your outs by 4, that's the percentage you are behind. on the Turn - multiply by 2. If your outs come to 32%, you have to be getting 3-1 on your money to call so on and so forth. Start with that. I could go on and on. It's a very complex game, and it will take you a long time to become mediocre. I've been playing for (8) years, and i have a long way to go.
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Old October 28th, 2011, 09:45 AM
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You're going about it completely backwards -
The ability to "read people like a book" is a valuable asset to any poker player, of course. However; it's one of the LAST skills that need to be learned on the road to mastering the game of poker. Starting hands, odds, outs, proper bet sizes; and about a million other things need to be learned first - not LATER.

Do you go into court and give your closing argument during jury selection? (Don't answer that; I don't want to know )
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Old October 28th, 2011, 10:07 AM
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It's a very complex game, and it will take you a long time to become mediocre.
I really like that sentence! I think it ranks right up there with “takes ten minutes to learn, and a lifetime to master” as a description of Hold’em.
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Old October 28th, 2011, 10:38 AM
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I really like that sentence! I think it ranks right up there with “takes ten minutes to learn, and a lifetime to master” as a description of Hold’em.
Alot of people think (especially those new to the game) that poker is easy. Especially Hold em. Limit is ABC, but the "One bet to call factor" kills alot of people. No Limit is alot different because every hand you get involved in risks your stack. People think they can just get lucky and try outrageous moves they see on TV. What people fail to realize is the fair amount of skill involved (yes short term luck is a factor) and they don't realize how much of a grind poker really is. If you are looking for a good time and don't wish to play the game for anything but leisure, reading and time aren't required. Poker is a skill game like blackjack and for you to contend with some of the sharks out there (even at low limit games) you must do your homework, or you're going to get crushed.
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Old October 28th, 2011, 11:59 AM
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You're going about it completely backwards -
The ability to "read people like a book" is a valuable asset to any poker player, of course. However; it's one of the LAST skills that need to be learned on the road to mastering the game of poker. Starting hands, odds, outs, proper bet sizes; and about a million other things need to be learned first - not LATER.

Do you go into court and give your closing argument during jury selection? (Don't answer that; I don't want to know )
Yeah I had the bluffs last copy and pasted stiff moved things around and forgot to check read it afterwards. Lol. I played poker when I was like 5-15 just never played hold'em during that time. So the reading people like a book aint bad but I want to go at this like I did blackjack. I thought I knew how to play blackjack but I put all of my THOUGHTS to the side. Doing the same with blackjack.

Thanks for the info guys. Going to pick up Doyles book today thanks.
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Old October 28th, 2011, 12:05 PM
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Do you go into court and give your closing argument during jury selection? (Don't answer that; I don't want to know )
Why not if it is the question of lack of evidence or the case is completely circumstantial, I might just pull a DENNY CRANE.

However, I am not a lawyer, studying law is just one of a number of my hobbies. I got a lot of time on my hands. I have successfully gotten numerous traffic tickets and "pot" charges dropped. A couple of the traffic tickets I even successfully argued at the pre-trial arraignment hearing. I mean what judge wants the whole courtroom to find out that state is defrauding you and the government is allowing it just for revenue and then have someone tell them exactly why and do it right. Would you like sanctions with your tea Mr. Prosecutor.

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Old October 28th, 2011, 03:11 PM
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Yeah I had the bluffs last copy and pasted stiff moved things around and forgot to check read it afterwards. Lol. I played poker when I was like 5-15 just never played hold'em during that time. So the reading people like a book aint bad but I want to go at this like I did blackjack. I thought I knew how to play blackjack but I put all of my THOUGHTS to the side. Doing the same with blackjack.

Thanks for the info guys. Going to pick up Doyles book today thanks.
Like you, I played poker from an early age. Have you ever heard the term, "Quantum leap." It applies to the difference between draw/stud poker and hold'em. I was good at the former, not a champion, but good, and no one could beat me easily. Hold'em is a different order of magnitude altogether. I have been studying it off and on for a few years now and still don't feel comfortable playing for any significant money. Confidence is good-- over-confidence is a sure recipe for disaster. Take it slow and easy. The books will explain it better than I can.
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Like you, I played poker from an early age. Have you ever heard the term, "Quantum leap." It applies to the difference between draw/stud poker and hold'em. I was good at the former, not a champion, but good, and no one could beat me easily. Hold'em is a different order of magnitude altogether. I have been studying it off and on for a few years now and still don't feel comfortable playing for any significant money. Confidence is good-- over-confidence is a sure recipe for disaster. Take it slow and easy. The books will explain it better than I can.
Thanks. When it comes to casino games or any game objected around gambling, I like to start fresh and have no preconceived notions. That includes bluffs and reading tells.

I totally understand where you are coming from though. You could be playing say five card draw and no one in the town can touch you in the long run. But hold'em. Thats another story. A whole lot more luck is needed as well as mathematical ability and the ability to read tells.

Speaking of tells, a guy named Darren Brown has a few papers on forcing tells out psychologically, which pertains nothing to card games or anything like that. More of magicians tricks. But I cant seem to find them. Would be great to use in a casino environment, however best left to the poker games with faily and friends for fun until they don't want to sit down at the table.
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Old November 2nd, 2011, 10:57 AM
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A whole lot more luck is needed as well as mathematical ability and the ability to read tells.

Speaking of tells, a guy named Darren Brown has a few papers on forcing tells out psychologically, which pertains nothing to card games or anything like that.


I don't like the "whole lot more luck is needed" statement, but you are new to the game and you will learn that although short term luck is factor, luck alone will not and cannot beat this game in the long term. The luck factor applies to tournaments moreso than cash games. As far as reading material on tells, google "poker tells" and you will literally find hundreds of books. Matt Hilger, Phil Hellmuth and Mike Caro have the best books available on poker tells.
If I were you (and I'm not), I would focus on starting hands, recognizing the importance of position and betting before I go for tells. After you get the above, learn the math of the game, then move on to tells. Tells should be the last thing you attempt to learn. When you do play, and when not in the pot, pick someone (or 2 people) and study them. Find their tell, try to guess what they are playing and what they are trying to do. It will all fall into place, but it will take a long time. You will progress, then you will be stuck for a while. You will progress some more, then be stuck for a while. It's a sick pattern and can be frustrating at times. Poker is about the three "P's". People, Position and Patience my friend. Good luck.
 

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