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Old November 2nd, 2011, 05:45 PM
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An extract from Steve Forte's Casino Game Protection reads:

"Often, when you compare the cheater to the legitimate card counter or advantage player, the only distinction you will find is one of legality"

I was quite surprised by this, what does everyone else think?
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Old November 2nd, 2011, 05:56 PM
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An extract from Steve Forte's Casino Game Protection reads:

"Often, when you compare the cheater to the legitimate card counter or advantage player, the only distinction you will find is one of legality"

I was quite surprised by this, what does everyone else think?
Look at the source.
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Old November 2nd, 2011, 06:03 PM
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Forte needs to have a discussion on this matter with an AP who is not a pussy in a very private location.

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Old November 2nd, 2011, 06:07 PM
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He needs to be sued
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Old November 2nd, 2011, 06:19 PM
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I think you guys are taking things too personal. He didn't say that card counters and AP were cheaters. He specifically said that the law distinguishes that they are not. He was simple stating, that from the casinos point of view, both activities one legal, the other not legal, will have the same outcome, to harm the bottom line and as such both are viewed as unfavorable and undesirable by the casino. Nothing new here. Not sure what you all are getting so worked up about?
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Old November 2nd, 2011, 06:26 PM
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Sorry, I agree with Steve. Both the cheater, and the advantage player are looking for ways to extract money from a casino.

I played with computers when it was legal. Then they changed the law so I stopped. Someone who plays with a computer now is cheating. Is that person so different than me?

Some players practice thousands of hours trying to control dice. They are trying to control the outcome of the game, and this is not cheating. Someone who slides the dice is cheating. Are those players really so different?
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Old November 2nd, 2011, 06:34 PM
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Sorry, I agree with Steve. Both the cheater, and the advantage player are looking for ways to extract money from a casino.

I played with computers when it was legal. Then they changed the law so I stopped. Someone who plays with a computer now is cheating. Is that person so different than me?

Some players practice thousands of hours trying to control dice. They are trying to control the outcome of the game, and this is not cheating. Someone who slides the dice is cheating. Are those players really so different?
Geez man,,you just made no sense at all

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Old November 2nd, 2011, 06:52 PM
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An extract from Steve Forte's Casino Game Protection reads:

"Often, when you compare the cheater to the legitimate card counter or advantage player, the only distinction you will find is one of legality"
Steve is simply giving an accurate definition of two professions, with which I completely agree.

I think we sometimes make the mistake of confusing what is legal and what is moral. Hole carding, for example, has been found in the courts to be legal. Even if someone considers the practice immoral, it's inaccurate to call a hole carder a cheater; he simply is an immoral AP in that person's opinion.

Steve's definition wisely avoids the murky area of morality.
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Old November 2nd, 2011, 06:59 PM
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Steve is simply giving an accurate definition of two professions, with which I completely agree.

I think we sometimes make the mistake of confusing what is legal and what is moral. Hole carding, for example, has been found in the courts to be legal. Even if someone considers the practice immoral, it's inaccurate to call a hole carder a cheater; he simply is an immoral AP in that person's opinion.

Steve's definition wisely avoids the murky area of morality.


Murky morality, hmmm,,cute,,,I consider the casino, hands down, as extremely immoral, and any one who can turn the tables on them is "high Five" in my book Nothing "murky" there David.

Well Dave, while we are at it,,,what side of the fence are you,,,on??

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Old November 2nd, 2011, 07:06 PM
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"Often, when you compare the cheater to the legitimate card counter or advantage player, the only distinction you will find is one of legality"
"Often, when you compare a rapist to the legitimate man making love with his wife, the only distinction you will find is one of legality"

People say things in certain ways, while being totally and technically accurate, of course can convey different things, in this case, intentionally in all likelihood.
 

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