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Old November 3rd, 2011, 05:40 PM
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I was wondering, if I wanted to spread vary wildly at a 6:5 SD game (like 1-12 or 1-16), how much heat would I get?
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Old November 3rd, 2011, 07:04 PM
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I was wondering, if I wanted to spread vary wildly at a 6:5 SD game (like 1-12 or 1-16), how much heat would I get?
cgy, really depends, I think a hit and run of no more than 45 min, and you could get heads up.

Tell me when so I can watch from a safe distance

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Old November 3rd, 2011, 11:50 PM
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Can't say what would happen at Soaring Eagle as I haven't tried it there, but IMHO in Vegas 6:5 single deck games, the pit often believes it to be unbeatable. So they often hardly give it a second look.

If you hit and run, you can pull off some outrageous stuff with impunity, LOL.

I've counted down SD games there (even back counting) to the occasional MONSTER SD count (think +18, even +20 LOL) such that the remaining 2/3rds of the deck are nearly 60% all 10 & Aces.

Tossing out a stack of black when that moment arrives (even after noodling around on the game with just REDS for over an hour) in such circumstances often gets a knowing grin from the dealer (if she's friendly) but never the kind of heat that you'd get trying a stunt like that on a normal game, LOL.

Of course it's still always a good idea to take a break AFTER something like that goes down (even if you lose the hand, or more likely push twenties!)

And you have to wait a LONG time before you get those opportunities (it tries your patience being bled slowly on such an otherwise crappy game, but hopefully it's just nickels or even DOLLAR units being sacrificed) BUT when it does happen, and you get that sweet NATURAL that you KNEW was coming, it's a nice hit even at the reduced 6/5 payoff on the stack 'o black, LOL.

Overall, 6:5 still sucks monkey balls however. Best situation is still to apply the above on a good ol' fashioned REAL 3:2 SD game.

Gawd, I love the Sweaty Spaniard, LOL...

Been away too long: maybe time to book a trip downtown LV, heh.



P.S. I did get backed off at 4 Queens once, doing basically this... not "spreading" exactly 1-16 but more like Hit&Running spread 1 nickel unit to plunger 80 units ($400) on those monster counts when I just KNEW the dealer was standing there holding a handful of all paint cards. That time, it was last day of my trip and I was playing unrated and didn't really care if I was tapped 'cuz I knew I was not gonna be back in town for at least several months. The pit critter who tapped me and escorted me to the cage was actually kind of laughing as he showed me the door... heh

P.P.S. Heh, just for reference now I checked it by editing the deck in CV to a +18 condition. Player edge 9.20%...

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Old November 4th, 2011, 01:04 AM
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Very cool post!

Good info.

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Old November 4th, 2011, 05:45 AM
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Can't say what would happen at Soaring Eagle as I haven't tried it there, but IMHO in Vegas 6:5 single deck games, the pit often believes it to be unbeatable. So they often hardly give it a second look.

If you hit and run, you can pull off some outrageous stuff with impunity, LOL.

I've counted down SD games there (even back counting) to the occasional MONSTER SD count (think +18, even +20 LOL) such that the remaining 2/3rds of the deck are nearly 60% all 10 & Aces.
This must have been done years ago because now if you enter after the first hand has been played they hold you to table minimum until they shuffle.
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Old November 4th, 2011, 05:46 AM
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I believe this post also contains way too much public information.
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Old November 4th, 2011, 07:04 AM
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DBJT has done something, very virtual, concerning taking action about giving too much info on a public board, far, far beyond talking and complaining about it.

At the Bash, those there, will get a first hand example of it.

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Old November 4th, 2011, 07:23 AM
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21Gun, as I noted it's been a while since I was in NV (long enough however that I don't think this post gives away any useful info) but I wouldn't say it was "yearS" ago... just "long enough".

And, no, at that time in this particular shop (not necessarily where I mentioned the backoff story was) there was no restriction on mid-deck entry on the 6:5 crap carnival games. Maybe there is now, some places. Not sure.

But, no, the pit really pretty much ignored those games, at that time, in my experience, believing them to be basically unbeatable. Or perhaps just not worth the effort.

And they may be right actually.

-CJ

P.S. By the way just 'cuz I said the backoff story was at 4 Queens doesn't really mean it was, ya know. Could have been at Binions across the street. Or maybe Lake Tahoe. Does that change the story's point?
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Old November 4th, 2011, 11:30 AM
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Didn't add to the story either. if you included a meal description it wouldn't add anything and for this reason I would assume it was true.
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Old November 4th, 2011, 03:55 PM
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21Gun, as I noted it's been a while since I was in NV (long enough however that I don't think this post gives away any useful info) but I wouldn't say it was "yearS" ago... just "long enough".

And, no, at that time in this particular shop (not necessarily where I mentioned the backoff story was) there was no restriction on mid-deck entry on the 6:5 crap carnival games. Maybe there is now, some places. Not sure.

But, no, the pit really pretty much ignored those games, at that time, in my experience, believing them to be basically unbeatable. Or perhaps just not worth the effort.

And they may be right actually.

-CJ

P.S. By the way just 'cuz I said the backoff story was at 4 Queens doesn't really mean it was, ya know. Could have been at Binions across the street. Or maybe Lake Tahoe. Does that change the story's point?
Sorry. I read this very early in the morning and I actually misread what I thought you were saying. I thought you were saying you'd done this @ Soaring Eagle. Oops!
 

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