My Introduction and Questions

[Sonny]

You are correct that someone who only plays basic strategy will not have an advantage over the casino (unless he is taking advantage of a promotion like matchplay coupons, loss rebates, free play, payout changes, or something like that). Therefore, any betting strategy that causes him to raise his bets is only going to cause him to lose more money. You can't just get an advantage by randomly changing your bets. Acquiring the necessary skills requires a huge amount of practice and research.

Getting an advantage involves having more information than a basic strategy player would have. Things like knowing which cards have been played, knowing which cards are coming next, knowing what the dealer's holecard is, steering cards to where you want them to be, etc. The list goes on and on.

The easiest place to start is with card counting. That will give you a solid foundation and understanding of how to play properly. From there you can move on to more advanced strategies once you have some knowledge and skill under your belt. The sticky threads in the Card Counting forum will get you started with bet sizing and bankroll requirements.

-Sonny-

[tthree]

Originally Posted by whattodo

Is there a betting strategy that actually works then? Every site I have found lists a bunch of strategies and then goes on to prove that they do not work. So what works? straight betting?

Bet small when the house has the advantage. Bet big when you have the advantage. You need to know when you have the advantage. Try counting cards.

[whattodo]

Even with counting cards, house still has an advantage although not as big. You don't go through the whole deck so you can't possibly know what cards are left. I was just saying that people seem to be criticizing a progressive betting system but there is really no good one out there. Even card counting which is based on calculated still involves a lot of luck.

[tthree]

Originally Posted by whattodo

Even with counting cards, house still has an advantage although not as big. You don't go through the whole deck so you can't possibly know what cards are left. I was just saying that people seem to be criticizing a progressive betting system but there is really no good one out there. Even card counting which is based on calculated still involves a lot of luck.

He used the "L" word. Bad ploppy. Variance is a part of card counting but you expect to be ahead in the long run. Progressive betting independent of advantage loses money faster in the long run.

[Sonny]

Originally Posted by whattodo

Even with counting cards, house still has an advantage although not as big.

That's not true. Card counting can give you an advantage over the house. Usually it's in the range of 1-2%. Read the links.

Originally Posted by whattodo

Even card counting which is based on calculated still involves a lot of luck.

That's true, which is why you have to play long enough to overcome the short-term luck. It's the opposite of what a gambler does. Gamblers are relying on luck to win a few times but they will lose in the end. A card counter may lose a few because of bad luck but he will win in the end.

-Sonny-

[shadroch]

You can bet more on the hands you win and less on the hands you lose or you can learn to count, shuffle track, holecard or a few other ways.

[creeping panther]

This guy appears to be putting you guys on, IMHO

Hope that is not the case as Sonny has put alot of effort in this thread

CP

[21gunsalute]

Originally Posted by whattodo

Even with counting cards, house still has an advantage although not as big. You don't go through the whole deck so you can't possibly know what cards are left. I was just saying that people seem to be criticizing a progressive betting system but there is really no good one out there. Even card counting which is based on calculated still involves a lot of luck.

You're right, it's all useless. Give it up. Nothing works, so quit arguing with yourself and quit complaining about nothing.

[Coach R]

Originally Posted by whattodo

Even with counting cards, house still has an advantage although not as big. You don't go through the whole deck so you can't possibly know what cards are left. I was just saying that people seem to be criticizing a progressive betting system but there is really no good one out there. Even card counting which is based on calculated still involves a lot of luck.

Counting DOES give you an advantage, untill you can master that, you will always lose in the long run. That's why they it A.P. (advantaged players)

[MeWin$]

Originally Posted by whattodo

Even with counting cards, house still has an advantage although not as big. You don't go through the whole deck so you can't possibly know what cards are left. I was just saying that people seem to be criticizing a progressive betting system but there is really no good one out there. Even card counting which is based on calculated still involves a lot of luck.

hehehe, ur actually not bad as a troll, are you on this forum under a different name??

I actually got a chuckle, well done