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Old November 8th, 2011, 07:07 PM
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Do you post on another message board under the handle of Wham?
No I did not. why?
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Old November 8th, 2011, 07:28 PM
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Under what conditions do you split tens and then double down on the resulting stiffs?

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I have a system where I factor in the neutral cards into my playing decisions and in this case the decks was heavy about 10-15 neutral cards. Deck was so loaded with 7-9's. The actual hi-lo part of my count was highly negative. I get a 12 I figure the deck is neutral value card heavy, the actual count was negative, but not negative enough to over turn the neutral card heavy deck. Dealer had a 3 up I do believe. I got a 2 for 12 on the first doubled based on my analysis, got a 9 for 21. Got a 4 on my other ten for 14 deck still 7-9 rich. I got lucky on the 14 and pulled a 7.

Wong does it all the time. He will even tell you so his self. In fact I even believe there is an article stating so on his site.

Basically, the beginning of the deck pretty much only tens and aces and 2-6's got played. I forget the actual ratio I used for the decision but I think it was 50 some odd cards 10-ace played, 50 some odd cards 2-6 played, and only like 10 or so 7-9s played. So the ratio was like 50:50:10. Telling me that the chances that a 7-9 will be the next few cards are amazingly high. Like super high.

If your playing a 4 deck shoe and 50 some od cards 2-6 have been played and 50 some odd cards 10 ace have been played and only like 10 cards 7-9 had been played.

If you are playing heads up against the dealer you get a 2 card 20 and the dealer shows a 3. Chances are if you split those hands your going to get 17-19. Math is there. I may ramble a lot and post misleading information but I do know the game just a little bit better even than you probably. I just dont know all the fancy smancy math behind it. Or know why things happen, I just know they do and when to look for them.

I may only have been playing casino level for three years, but I am 100% certain I have played well over 100k hands of practice. I have nothing but time on my hands. I don't need to work often and I love to learn.

The math is there I just dont know it.
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Old November 8th, 2011, 07:41 PM
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1. Why would you split tens in a "negative count"?
2. Why would you then double a stiff vs dealer 3 up card? Even if you know the deck is "rich in neutral cards" this doesn't make sense to me. If that's the case then the dealer is not likely to bust with a 3 up.....she is likely to hit a pat hand if there are a abundance of 8/7.
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Old November 8th, 2011, 08:31 PM
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I have a system where I factor in the neutral cards into my playing decisions and in this case the decks was heavy about 10-15 neutral cards. Deck was so loaded with 7-9's. The actual hi-lo part of my count was highly negative. I get a 12 I figure the deck is neutral value card heavy, the actual count was negative, but not negative enough to over turn the neutral card heavy deck. Dealer had a 3 up I do believe. I got a 2 for 12 on the first doubled based on my analysis, got a 9 for 21. Got a 4 on my other ten for 14 deck still 7-9 rich. I got lucky on the 14 and pulled a 7.

Wong does it all the time. He will even tell you so his self. In fact I even believe there is an article stating so on his site.

Basically, the beginning of the deck pretty much only tens and aces and 2-6's got played. I forget the actual ratio I used for the decision but I think it was 50 some odd cards 10-ace played, 50 some odd cards 2-6 played, and only like 10 or so 7-9s played. So the ratio was like 50:50:10. Telling me that the chances that a 7-9 will be the next few cards are amazingly high. Like super high.

If your playing a 4 deck shoe and 50 some od cards 2-6 have been played and 50 some odd cards 10 ace have been played and only like 10 cards 7-9 had been played.

If you are playing heads up against the dealer you get a 2 card 20 and the dealer shows a 3. Chances are if you split those hands your going to get 17-19. Math is there. I may ramble a lot and post misleading information but I do know the game just a little bit better even than you probably. I just dont know all the fancy smancy math behind it. Or know why things happen, I just know they do and when to look for them.

I may only have been playing casino level for three years, but I am 100% certain I have played well over 100k hands of practice. I have nothing but time on my hands. I don't need to work often and I love to learn.

The math is there I just dont know it.
If the dealer has a 3 up and flips a 7 and draws a 7 he has 17 if he turns a 9 and flips a 9 he has 21. Splitting tens is based as much on the dealer busting as you pulling a great card. Your explanation has none of these criterion. Doubling a stiff also doesn't follow with your explanation as my initial sentence shows.

Also you want the pit to overestimate your buy-in so I am not sure why you insisted on a $50 buy-in. You just showed a huge win even if you got away with ratholing. Are you sure you have been in a casino? Maybe it was Chuckee Cheese.
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Old November 8th, 2011, 08:39 PM
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I think it could be false to assume ringlejames actually does play.
But I think it's safe to say he did stay at a Holiday Inn Express.
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Old November 8th, 2011, 08:44 PM
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I have a system where I factor in the neutral cards into my playing decisions and in this case the decks was heavy about 10-15 neutral cards. Deck was so loaded with 7-9's. The actual hi-lo part of my count was highly negative. I get a 12 I figure the deck is neutral value card heavy, the actual count was negative, but not negative enough to over turn the neutral card heavy deck. Dealer had a 3 up I do believe. I got a 2 for 12 on the first doubled based on my analysis, got a 9 for 21. Got a 4 on my other ten for 14 deck still 7-9 rich. I got lucky on the 14 and pulled a 7.

Wong does it all the time. He will even tell you so his self. In fact I even believe there is an article stating so on his site.

Basically, the beginning of the deck pretty much only tens and aces and 2-6's got played. I forget the actual ratio I used for the decision but I think it was 50 some odd cards 10-ace played, 50 some odd cards 2-6 played, and only like 10 or so 7-9s played. So the ratio was like 50:50:10. Telling me that the chances that a 7-9 will be the next few cards are amazingly high. Like super high.

If your playing a 4 deck shoe and 50 some od cards 2-6 have been played and 50 some odd cards 10 ace have been played and only like 10 cards 7-9 had been played.

If you are playing heads up against the dealer you get a 2 card 20 and the dealer shows a 3. Chances are if you split those hands your going to get 17-19. Math is there. I may ramble a lot and post misleading information but I do know the game just a little bit better even than you probably. I just dont know all the fancy smancy math behind it. Or know why things happen, I just know they do and when to look for them.

I may only have been playing casino level for three years, but I am 100% certain I have played well over 100k hands of practice. I have nothing but time on my hands. I don't need to work often and I love to learn.

The math is there I just dont know it.
zengrifter, is that you? Don't you ever tire having fun? C'mon! Come clean. It is you. I'd know that sense of humor anywhere!
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Old November 8th, 2011, 10:25 PM
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But I think it's safe to say he did stay at a Holiday Inn Express.
Haven't we all?
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Old November 8th, 2011, 10:46 PM
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zengrifter, is that you? Don't you ever tire having fun? C'mon! Come clean. It is you. I'd know that sense of humor anywhere!
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Old November 9th, 2011, 01:18 AM
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I may ramble a lot and post misleading information but I do know the game just a little bit better even than you probably. I just dont know all the fancy smancy math behind it. Or know why things happen, I just know they do and when to look for them.

The math is there I just dont know it.
This could be the smartest thing you've ever said!
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Old November 9th, 2011, 10:32 AM
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zengrifter, is that you? Don't you ever tire having fun? C'mon! Come clean. It is you. I'd know that sense of humor anywhere!
Now that would be really funny.....talk about an extreme bout of trolling

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