Holy Rollers: The True Story of Card Counting Christians

[Colin]

Hey guys. This is Colin from BlackjackApprenticeship.com. I thought I'd clarify a couple things.

1. We definitely don't try to "Spam" people. If people have signed up for our email list, then they receive our emails (blogposts or news updates). If you're receiving them and don't want them, it's really easy to unsubscribe.

2. Our goal has never been to profit off of our faith. We've debated for over a year whether we should use BJA as a sounding board for the questions people have started asking us, now that details of our lives are becoming more public thru the documentary. The way we've always lived, run our businesses, etc is to be very open. Not to prosthelytize, but because it's how we are. We could have 2 websites, one where we ban discussions about how we live our lives, what we believe, etc and keep it to blackjack, the other where we talk about personal stuff. But that sounded silly. But the goal is definitely not to leverage our faith for profit.

Anyway, I'm glad to hear Ken enjoyed the doc! I remember watching "The Hot Shoe" and any other card counting video I could find 8 years ago. We hope, even aside from the faith stuff, this documentary will stand on its own as a valuable addition to the blackjack community that we've valued so much over the years.

Cheers.

[Coyote]

Originally Posted by Colin

Hey guys. This is Colin from BlackjackApprenticeship.com. I thought I'd clarify a couple things.

1. We definitely don't try to "Spam" people. If people have signed up for our email list, then they receive our emails (blogposts or news updates). If you're receiving them and don't want them, it's really easy to unsubscribe.

2. Our goal has never been to profit off of our faith. We've debated for over a year whether we should use BJA as a sounding board for the questions people have started asking us, now that details of our lives are becoming more public thru the documentary. The way we've always lived, run our businesses, etc is to be very open. Not to prosthelytize, but because it's how we are. We could have 2 websites, one where we ban discussions about how we live our lives, what we believe, etc and keep it to blackjack, the other where we talk about personal stuff. But that sounded silly. But the goal is definitely not to leverage our faith for profit.

Anyway, I'm glad to hear Ken enjoyed the doc! I remember watching "The Hot Shoe" and any other card counting video I could find 8 years ago. We hope, even aside from the faith stuff, this documentary will stand on its own as a valuable addition to the blackjack community that we've valued so much over the years.

Cheers.

Best of Success to you and your documentary!
I've enjoyed the tales from the trenches!

Regards,
Coyote

[Dyepaintball12]

Originally Posted by Colin

Hey guys. This is Colin from BlackjackApprenticeship.com. I thought I'd clarify a couple things.

1. We definitely don't try to "Spam" people. If people have signed up for our email list, then they receive our emails (blogposts or news updates). If you're receiving them and don't want them, it's really easy to unsubscribe.

2. Our goal has never been to profit off of our faith. We've debated for over a year whether we should use BJA as a sounding board for the questions people have started asking us, now that details of our lives are becoming more public thru the documentary. The way we've always lived, run our businesses, etc is to be very open. Not to prosthelytize, but because it's how we are. We could have 2 websites, one where we ban discussions about how we live our lives, what we believe, etc and keep it to blackjack, the other where we talk about personal stuff. But that sounded silly. But the goal is definitely not to leverage our faith for profit.

Anyway, I'm glad to hear Ken enjoyed the doc! I remember watching "The Hot Shoe" and any other card counting video I could find 8 years ago. We hope, even aside from the faith stuff, this documentary will stand on its own as a valuable addition to the blackjack community that we've valued so much over the years.

Cheers.

You're charging people thousands of dollars for something they could easily learn themselves...

[Kinetic]

Originally Posted by Dyepaintball12

You're charging people thousands of dollars for something they could easily learn themselves...

The internet is an amazing source of information and yes, counting cards can be learned for free. This correlation can be made across all kinds of information. The problem with the internet is that it is also a source for misinformation. In the grand scheme of things, paying money to learn how to make money and cut through all the trial and error costly mistakes along the way, seems worth it to me.

They aren't guilting people into taking their course, nor are they offering something you can easily obtain online. People find value in different things, who are we to decide for others what is valuable or not?

[moo321]

Originally Posted by Colin

Hey guys. This is Colin from BlackjackApprenticeship.com. I thought I'd clarify a couple things.

1. We definitely don't try to "Spam" people. If people have signed up for our email list, then they receive our emails (blogposts or news updates). If you're receiving them and don't want them, it's really easy to unsubscribe.

2. Our goal has never been to profit off of our faith. We've debated for over a year whether we should use BJA as a sounding board for the questions people have started asking us, now that details of our lives are becoming more public thru the documentary. The way we've always lived, run our businesses, etc is to be very open. Not to prosthelytize, but because it's how we are. We could have 2 websites, one where we ban discussions about how we live our lives, what we believe, etc and keep it to blackjack, the other where we talk about personal stuff. But that sounded silly. But the goal is definitely not to leverage our faith for profit.

Anyway, I'm glad to hear Ken enjoyed the doc! I remember watching "The Hot Shoe" and any other card counting video I could find 8 years ago. We hope, even aside from the faith stuff, this documentary will stand on its own as a valuable addition to the blackjack community that we've valued so much over the years.

Cheers.

Do you have any ideas as to when the movie will be available? I'm in the midwest, so please try to get something set up here!

[Kinetic]

Most of the updates about film festivals it's playing at happens on the Facebook page:

https://www.facebook.com/HolyRollers21

[Colin]

Originally Posted by Dyepaintball12

You're charging people thousands of dollars for something they could easily learn themselves...

I wouldn't say that people can easily learn what it takes to be a fulltime professional card counter themselves. The first time someone who had been fully trained from a pro card counting team dealt to me, I missed payout errors, he added up my hands wrong and I missed it, and I got off on the count without knowing it (and I was already playing blackjack fulltime for a living). It was an invaluable experience. Not to mention, getting pro training on how to handle myself in a casino, handle backoffs, deal with dealer mistakes, understand advanced concepts behind EV, how to deal with traveling with money in an airport, etc, e. I strongly encourage people to teach themselves as much as they can. But that doesn't mean there isn't a value in being trained from people who've won millions and run a team of dozens of professional card counters.

Our track record is that people are very glad they paid for the training because it was a valuable investment in their card counting careers. Mike Aponte (from the MIT team) does the same thing, and it changes many people from being losing or break-even card counters to winning players. I'm not saying everyone should do it, but you'd be surprised at the value of quality blackjack training for many people. Hell, it would have been a good investment if I could have paid Tommy Hyland $10,000 to get trained 8 years ago, but it wasn't an option.

That's why we offer it. Whether it's a good value is up to the people who go through our training to decide.

[Colin]

It sounds like it should be available for video on demand in a couple months. Probably Netflix and DVD not long after that. But there's all sorts of legal stuff being worked out with the motion picture company between now and then.

The saddest part is that it sounds like they're making us take out all clips from other films, even though they're legal to play under the fair use act. So the awesome card counting clips from other movies (rainman, the hangover, casino) have to be removed. )=

Originally Posted by moo321

Do you have any ideas as to when the movie will be available? I'm in the midwest, so please try to get something set up here!

[plainplayer]

Originally Posted by Colin

It sounds like it should be available for video on demand in a couple months. Probably Netflix and DVD not long after that.

I find it odd that you're not aware of your own movie's DVD sales.

http://www.holyrollersthemovie.com/merchandise.html

[zengrifter]

Originally Posted by plainplayer

I find it odd that you're not aware of your own movie's DVD sales.

http://www.holyrollersthemovie.com/merchandise.html

Its PRE-order, ye of little faith! zg