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Old November 24th, 2011, 03:46 PM
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A few weeks to go ......
General question on comps. How long does (on average) a PB watch your play when sitting down and starting to play?
Is it worthwhile to bet higher for the first few rounds so the PB can record you playing a higher minimum?
Mainly interested in buffet comps etc.
Any advice appreciated.
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Old November 24th, 2011, 04:00 PM
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Bet a lot when the PB is watching.
If you won a big bet, and they're not watching, make a lot of noise so they come and look.
Don't do anything suspicious while you're comp hustling.
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Old November 24th, 2011, 09:14 PM
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Bet a lot when the PB is watching.
If you won a big bet, and they're not watching, make a lot of noise so they come and look.
Don't do anything suspicious while you're comp hustling.
How much action is needed in most places for good comp consideration?

I sent you a PM also flying.
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Old November 24th, 2011, 09:32 PM
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Unless your endgame is to play for comps.....NEVER PLAY FOR COMPS....just play whatever strategy that is appropriate given the game at hand and your BK....my rule of thumb is to never adjust your play for comps...unless of course that is why u r playing
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Old November 24th, 2011, 09:38 PM
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Unless your endgame is to play for comps.....NEVER PLAY FOR COMPS....just play whatever strategy that is appropriate given the game at hand and your BK....my rule of thumb is to never adjust your play for comps...unless of course that is why u r playing
In reference to this, I asked my question just to be less ignorant of the matter. I know how my regular store handles comps, but I don't have deeper knowledge of others and what action they need. I would never augment my betting to score a comp specifically. But knowing what action most casinos want for normal consideration on comps can't hurt. Thanks.
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Old November 25th, 2011, 02:58 AM
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Some well-regarded blackjack experts maintain that basic strategy players have an advantage because the comps offset their losses when the casino edge is .5% or less. Their idea is that the house expects the typical player to play at a 2% disadvantage. Therefore, a player with a perfect knowledge of basic strategy can have a small, positive expectation.
But their analyses do not typically include the cost of tipping the dealer. If you stiff the dealer, will the pit still be generous? I doubt it. My point is that the cost of tipping needs to be factored in anytime you play for comps.
If any APs know of a book or article examining the relationship between comps and tips, I'd be obliged. Thanks.
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Old November 25th, 2011, 05:52 AM
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Choose one or the other. Play for comps, or play to win.

It's not impossible to do both, but your style of play when comp hustling is a little different than your usual play to win. If you get nailed for trying to win, there goes the comps.
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Old November 25th, 2011, 05:56 AM
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In reference to this, I asked my question just to be less ignorant of the matter. I know how my regular store handles comps, but I don't have deeper knowledge of others and what action they need. I would never augment my betting to score a comp specifically. But knowing what action most casinos want for normal consideration on comps can't hurt. Thanks.
The answer, of course, is that it depends on the casino. There are some casinos that will rush over to offer a food comp almost as soon as you sit down, and others that will not offer a comp under any circumstances. If you post which area of the country you are interested in, I am sure someone on this board can give you some information.
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Old November 25th, 2011, 06:01 AM
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Bet a lot when the PB is watching.
If you won a big bet, and they're not watching, make a lot of noise so they come and look.
Don't do anything suspicious while you're comp hustling.
The first two make sense, but what do you mean by don`t do anything suspicious? As IF........

I`ll be counting and spreading as per normal to beat the game. Just want to know if its worth the added EV to put a larger bet out than normal while starting to play (maybe 3 or 4 rounds or so). Just looking at small buffet comps, won`t be playing longer than 1 hr on any session in any case.

And would playing time affect it? Is a hour enough? Lets say about 1200 -1500 dollars action in a hour on average depending on decks and players of course.
Effectively do the pit critters record your min. bet from the start?
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Old November 25th, 2011, 06:09 AM
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The first two make sense, but what do you mean by don`t do anything suspicious? As IF........

I`ll be counting and spreading as per normal to beat the game. Just want to know if its worth the added EV to put a larger bet out than normal while starting to play (maybe 3 or 4 rounds or so). Just looking at small buffet comps, won`t be playing longer than 1 hr on any session in any case.

And would playing time affect it? Is a hour enough? Lets say about 1200 -1500 dollars action in a hour on average depending on decks and players of course.
Effectively do the pit critters record your min. bet from the start?
Only if you start with a minimum bet. If you want to boost your comps start with a bigger bet until the PB enters your bet. Try to keep the illusion by noting when the PB is around and bet accordingly if it doesn't seem too costly to do so. I like the strategy of playing your game after the start and taking the comp it generates. There is something to be said for having your min waiting bet be for a negative count and a bigger waiting bet off the top of a fresh shoe. It can help with longevity in some places and maybe with comps.
 

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