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Old November 30th, 2011, 04:08 PM
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Exactly. This is why it is so frustrating when the count doesn't actually ever fall. It was very likely that it was going to, and then the dealer hits that cut card. There goes the consolation prize for the count going up when it was already high, right into the ASM.
Too bad it was not a hand shuffle. Then the clump may still be useful.
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Old December 5th, 2011, 12:17 PM
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Best thing that ever happened to me was unbelievable horrible negative variance almost as soon as I began playing...in 12 visits I lost 700 units which was a VERY LARGE percentage of my 900 unit bankroll...steadily over the succeeding almost 20 visits I got it all back and landed a few hundred units up overall...had these fluctuations been reversed, I have no doubt that I would probably have overbet severely on tthe downside and lost it all.

The best recipe to establish perseverance and patience as a counter is to suffer your greatest defeats when you first start playing.

I was fortunate to do so.
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Old December 5th, 2011, 12:20 PM
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In addition, I had my two worst losing sessions ever, BACK TO BACK...a record that still stand to this day....once I got through that, nothing was gonna bother me....I lost almost 250 units ON A SINGLE SHOE after this experience and was almost completely unfazed.

When you've had your own balls cut off with a spoon and hand fed to you...getting an ear and finger chopped off is nothing...kinda boring even.
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Old December 5th, 2011, 12:28 PM
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The best recipe to establish perseverance and patience as a counter is to suffer your greatest defeats when you first start playing.

I was fortunate to do so.
I share this opinion.

My first 150 hours were much like being tossed over the fence at the Rottweiler sanctuary.

Now, winning sessions feel like gifts from Iblis and Baphomet. I am grateful for every nickel won, and see it as undeserved windfall which could be taken back at any moment.
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Old December 5th, 2011, 05:13 PM
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I'm going to ask some tough questions:

1. Are you sure you have an advantage? Have you practiced extensively counting this game (i.e. you have a 6 deck shoe at your house, you're dealing shoe after shoe and ending up with a 0 count at the end).

2. Are you bankrolled properly?

If so, I feel for you. The nastiest thing about counting is that you DO have an edge, and if you're very disciplined you can grind out a very decent amount of money. But it's gut-wrenching.

I will say, after several years of playing, that losing probably hurts about 1/3 as much as it did at first. I can have a big losing session without much trouble. But when the losing runs together, it's hard.
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Old December 5th, 2011, 06:24 PM
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Been counting over 10 years. Have used 3 diff counts. Hi Lo is so easy a monkey could do it so it's not a user error.

BR is no issue.

Thanks for all the stories. It's nice to share with people who get what I am saying.

Thanks.
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Old December 5th, 2011, 08:14 PM
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Best thing that ever happened to me was unbelievable horrible negative variance almost as soon as I began playing...in 12 visits I lost 700 units which was a VERY LARGE percentage of my 900 unit bankroll...steadily over the succeeding almost 20 visits I got it all back and landed a few hundred units up overall...had these fluctuations been reversed, I have no doubt that I would probably have overbet severely on tthe downside and lost it all.

The best recipe to establish perseverance and patience as a counter is to suffer your greatest defeats when you first start playing.

I was fortunate to do so.
I had the oposite start to playing, out of my first 10 sessions, 9 of them were winning sessions, averaging 31 units per win, and my only loss was 9 units. with one session where I broke even.

following that I overbet, went from +364 units to -513 units, it sucks to loose like that
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Old December 6th, 2011, 06:30 PM
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Flash, read through this thread! There is something interesting that came up during our little workshop thing the other day brought up in there!
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Old December 6th, 2011, 06:54 PM
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Flash, read through this thread! There is something interesting that came up during our little workshop thing the other day brought up in there!
Do elaborate. Please.
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Old December 7th, 2011, 06:50 AM
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I witnessed a remarkable demonstration in sequencing technique in another "unique meeting of the minds" in which we ponder, analyze and examine advanced techniques. We flip a few cards around here and there. We discuss various publications. On this particular occasion I demonstrated Tarzan system to the talented card-sequencer, who was stunned and amazed at it. He in turn demonstrated his remarkable talent for ace sequencing to which I was equally amazed. I had to ponder not only the combined talent in this group but also the diversification! A variety of specialized techniques all designed with churning a profit and all the best experts to have on them demonstrating with precision.

Here's the thing... I've posted things about using nothing more than a basic hi-lo count before and upset people. The "Oh, just use a bigger spread and that will compensate" method works and yes, during the course of the next 100 years with unlimited bankroll you will probably win. My comparisons of basic hi-lo to more advanced methods consisting of comparing the two to having two identical patients requiring the exact same surgical procedure, so with one you use a surgeon with a scalpel and the other you use a lumberjack with a chainsaw. Which patient will fare better?

Advocates of a basic sort of hi-lo count don't like to hear this sort of stuff though, so I don't want to go into that too deeply. During some of the discussion of this little workshop session consisted of me talking about deck composition information that is not apparent using a hi-lo count and something I have said before about "Those neutral cards are not so neutral!" I went into the benefits of additional information on deck composition.

Why do we go to all this trouble? To gouge every perceivable advantage because it's tough out there! Staying ahead of the curve requires skill, devotion and specialized techniques. Those casinos are not in business because they want anyone to win. Bigger spread to compensate for a lack of information is the way with hi-lo. In other words you are a lumberjack with a chainsaw rather than a surgeon with a scalpel. You will have larger swings that will boggle your mind. Huge swings happen no matter what but the less information you have and the less efficiently you operate the bigger they will be.

I wanted Flash to review the thread where the issue of the 7's came up along with a few other little things because we touched on these topics briefly as part of displaying and examining advanced techniques.

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